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Post by tsundenver on Sept 18, 2024 13:54:35 GMT -5
The JSU saga continues... JSU/Southern may have the date of the SHC on lockdown, which to me offers opportunity to move the SHC to the last weekend of September. Maybe or maybe not JSU is available. Else, play JSU every other year in the JMC by doing home and home on 1st weekend of the season. Second game needs to be home and home with another lost rival.
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Post by tsucrat on Sept 19, 2024 7:25:01 GMT -5
Everyone talking about who Eddie wants to play. The bigger topic to me is that nobody has committed to play yet. Why? Is SHC only targeting certain teams, or is absolutely no one interested? At what point does tsu say, give us an opponent, or we will schedule something else?
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Post by tsuDFW on Sept 19, 2024 7:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Sept 19, 2024 14:48:36 GMT -5
Everyone talking about who Eddie wants to play. The bigger topic to me is that nobody has committed to play yet. Why? Is SHC only targeting certain teams, or is absolutely no one interested? At what point does tsu say, give us an opponent, or we will schedule something else? I think you have to consider that the more successful classics usually involves strong rival match-ups. Memphis is not going to be a draw for lets say Howard and Texas Southern. The location just doesn't make sense for those two schools. The SHC was successful with TSU and JSU because Memphis is a neutral location that the fanbase for both schools can easily travel to and both schools considered the other a rival. He could possibly get away with dropping the classic down to a couple of D2 HBCU's. But that would be a risk. My concern is not seeing TSU and JSU return specifically to the SHC. My concern is TSU and JSU not making any effort to have a home and home series. It is unfortunate that at this stage in our program, we actually do need JSU more than they need us. Dr.Allen needs to work diligently to get JSU back on our schedule with or without the SHC. My preference is without and lets just play UAPB in Memphis. A home and home series with JSU is a game we could really use in Nashville. I also think it could open the door to other key HBCU home and home matchups if it is successful in both Nashville and Jackson.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Sept 19, 2024 15:00:27 GMT -5
I'll give my thoughts on this in a second...
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Post by funkiejunkie on Sept 19, 2024 15:51:50 GMT -5
Everyone talking about who Eddie wants to play. The bigger topic to me is that nobody has committed to play yet. Why? Is SHC only targeting certain teams, or is absolutely no one interested? At what point does tsu say, give us an opponent, or we will schedule something else? I think you have to consider that the more successful classics usually involves strong rival match-ups. Memphis is not going to be a draw for lets say Howard and Texas Southern. The location just doesn't make sense for those two schools. The SHC was successful with TSU and JSU because Memphis is a neutral location that the fanbase for both schools can easily travel to and both schools considered the other a rival. He could possibly get away with dropping the classic down to a couple of D2 HBCU's. But that would be a risk. My concern is not seeing TSU and JSU return specifically to the SHC. My concern is TSU and JSU not making any effort to have a home and home series. It is unfortunate that at this stage in our program, we actually do need JSU more than they need us. Dr.Allen needs to work diligently to get JSU back on our schedule with or without the SHC. My preference is without and lets just play UAPB in Memphis. A home and home series with JSU is a game we could really use in Nashville. I also think it could open the door to other key HBCU home and home matchups if it is successful in both Nashville and Jackson. I mean, pretty much in a nutshell, all of this. We should not be in this position; but it is what it is. Unfortunately, TSU needs this match-up, and the HBCU world knows it, especially JSU. Sadly, TSU probably would have a couple of thousand (or more) fans to travel to a game @jsu that won't come to a TSU home game.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Sept 19, 2024 16:17:05 GMT -5
I think you have to consider that the more successful classics usually involves strong rival match-ups. Memphis is not going to be a draw for lets say Howard and Texas Southern. The location just doesn't make sense for those two schools. The SHC was successful with TSU and JSU because Memphis is a neutral location that the fanbase for both schools can easily travel to and both schools considered the other a rival. He could possibly get away with dropping the classic down to a couple of D2 HBCU's. But that would be a risk. My concern is not seeing TSU and JSU return specifically to the SHC. My concern is TSU and JSU not making any effort to have a home and home series. It is unfortunate that at this stage in our program, we actually do need JSU more than they need us. Dr.Allen needs to work diligently to get JSU back on our schedule with or without the SHC. My preference is without and lets just play UAPB in Memphis. A home and home series with JSU is a game we could really use in Nashville. I also think it could open the door to other key HBCU home and home matchups if it is successful in both Nashville and Jackson. I mean, pretty much in a nutshell, all of this. We should not be in this position; but it is what it is. Unfortunately, TSU needs this match-up, and the HBCU world knows it, especially JSU. Sadly, TSU probably would have a couple of thousand (or more) fans to travel to a game @jsu that won't come to a TSU home game. I think they would come to a JSU game in Nashville. It's the Big-South/OVC and HBCU's that we have never had a real connection with that they won't come to Nashville for. Heck, those in Nashville aren't even supporting them all that well. We will see if there is any improvement in that next year when we play NCA&T and Howard.
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Post by tsumadness on Sept 19, 2024 17:24:49 GMT -5
I wish he hadn’t said it. I’m tired of talking about it. Do something about it, and stop wishing on hoping on others. We’re not leaving the BS Valley (pun intended), so it is what it is.
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Post by tsucrat on Sept 19, 2024 18:34:57 GMT -5
You're right on that part Madness. We are where we are, and it probably won't change soon.
But back on topic I'm fearful of us waiting to long on SHC and end up not being able to secure a good opponent.
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Post by jaythomas on Sept 20, 2024 7:13:10 GMT -5
You're right on that part Madness. We are where we are, and it probably won't change soon. But back on topic I'm fearful of us waiting to long on SHC and end up not being able to secure a good opponent. Isn't it the job of the promoters to come up with an opponent?
That check isn't coming from TSU, its coming from the promoters, sponsors.
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Post by tsu120 on Sept 20, 2024 8:29:56 GMT -5
I mean, pretty much in a nutshell, all of this. We should not be in this position; but it is what it is. Unfortunately, TSU needs this match-up, and the HBCU world knows it, especially JSU. Sadly, TSU probably would have a couple of thousand (or more) fans to travel to a game @jsu that won't come to a TSU home game. I think they would come to a JSU game in Nashville. It's the Big-South/OVC and HBCU's that we have never had a real connection with that they won't come to Nashville for. Heck, those in Nashville aren't even supporting them all that well. We will see if there is any improvement in that next year when we play NCA&T and Howard. The "Classics" in name is dead. The games has become just another game. The problem is not, the other programs. It's TSU and some of their lack of support at every athletic event! I am going back a few years ago. There were more Lane Alumni and supporters at the game than TSU. Why TSU Alumni didn't show up. It's Lane, who want to see them play. TSU will dog Lane "Surprise" Hale, don't have this and that. Moving forward, very few showed up against, Norfolk State and MVSU. Excited about playing at Howard, but will not drive ten miles to NISSAN. Some TSU folks, just need to go in the back room and "take a smoke with Uncle Nearest" chill and look in the mirror.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Sept 20, 2024 9:21:06 GMT -5
You're right on that part Madness. We are where we are, and it probably won't change soon. But back on topic I'm fearful of us waiting to long on SHC and end up not being able to secure a good opponent. Are we still under contract? If so, if the game ends up cancelled due to a lack of opponent, would we be compensated since we followed the terms of the contract? My guess is, there may be some hard feelings between JSU and Fred Jones over the way it ended. Both sides would have to be willing to swallow pride in order to mend that bridge. Jones' best bet is probably to just go ahead and sign UAPB again.
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Post by tsundenver on Sept 20, 2024 9:57:25 GMT -5
You're right on that part Madness. We are where we are, and it probably won't change soon. But back on topic I'm fearful of us waiting to long on SHC and end up not being able to secure a good opponent. Are we still under contract? If so, if the game ends up cancelled due to a lack of opponent, would we be compensated since we followed the terms of the contract? My guess is, there may be some hard feelings between JSU and Fred Jones over the way it ended. Both sides would have to be willing to swallow pride in order to mend that bridge. Jones' best bet is probably to just go ahead and sign UAPB again. I agree. Just develop a relationship with UAPB in the SHC while TSU works out a home and home with JSU.
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Post by tsucrat on Sept 20, 2024 10:52:04 GMT -5
You're right on that part Madness. We are where we are, and it probably won't change soon. But back on topic I'm fearful of us waiting to long on SHC and end up not being able to secure a good opponent. Isn't it the job of the promoters to come up with an opponent?
That check isn't coming from TSU, its coming from the promoters, sponsors.You are correct. But if SHC can't come up with an opponent, then I'm assuming the event is canceled and we are left trying fill that slot with a game anywhere. Wait to late and even the known D2 schools will be off the table.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Sept 20, 2024 10:58:04 GMT -5
Isn't it the job of the promoters to come up with an opponent?
That check isn't coming from TSU, its coming from the promoters, sponsors. You are correct. But if SHC can't come up with an opponent, then I'm assuming the event is canceled and we are left trying fill that slot with a game anywhere. Wait to late and even the known D2 schools will be off the table. I probably should be more concerned with that than I am; but I guess one reason why I am not is because of conference realignment. We don't know who will be where, and teams will be scrambling to fill slots as a result. In actuality, SHC being cancelled could end up getting us a FBS game.
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