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Post by jafusthinker on Oct 18, 2023 9:01:07 GMT -5
I have to disagree. Our base shows up for rivals or if we're winning (dominating). This is our first meeting with Norfolk that I can recall. As much as I love the Spartan Legion, we reside in SWAC country in terms of bands...our fans don't know Norfolk. That's not a shot to Norfolk, just pointing that out. I can't speak for others, but I never said just play any HBCU. That was never the issue. It's losing the rivals off the schedule that's plaguing those that want to see HBCU bands. The reason many push for the SWAC is because all of our rivals (past & present) reside there, with the exception of Kentucky State. I doubt at this point KSU will move the needle anyways. A D-II or MEAC HBCU won't do much for increasing attendance (maybe A&T). It would have to be one of these 8 SWAC schools : AAMU, FAMU, Grambling, Southern, JSU, Bama State, Alcorn, or UAPB (possibly). So, in other words, you’re saying that we have to depend on these 7 or 8 schools to get a decent crowd to come watch our team play. That’s a sad state of affairs. Losing for over 30-years will do that to any institution even if they have a rich and significant sporting (football) history.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Oct 18, 2023 10:17:49 GMT -5
I have to disagree. Our base shows up for rivals or if we're winning (dominating). This is our first meeting with Norfolk that I can recall. As much as I love the Spartan Legion, we reside in SWAC country in terms of bands...our fans don't know Norfolk. That's not a shot to Norfolk, just pointing that out. I can't speak for others, but I never said just play any HBCU. That was never the issue. It's losing the rivals off the schedule that's plaguing those that want to see HBCU bands. The reason many push for the SWAC is because all of our rivals (past & present) reside there, with the exception of Kentucky State. I doubt at this point KSU will move the needle anyways. A D-II or MEAC HBCU won't do much for increasing attendance (maybe A&T). It would have to be one of these 8 SWAC schools : AAMU, FAMU, Grambling, Southern, JSU, Bama State, Alcorn, or UAPB (possibly). So, in other words, you’re saying that we have to depend on these 7 or 8 schools to get a decent crowd to come watch our team play. That’s a sad state of affairs. "Have to" is a strong phrase LOL Instead, say that the camaraderie that we share with these institutions holds a special place in the hearts of our fanbase.
Showing displeasure in a schedule isn't exclusive to us. Consider how many Notre Dame fans were livid and openly expressed their displeasure with them scheduling TSU. Even some North Dakota State fans are unhappy with playing TSU, and believe it or not, every TSU fan isn't thrilled about playing them either. Granted, the Notre Dame fans still attended, but many were not happy about it.
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Post by bluedog on Oct 18, 2023 11:20:25 GMT -5
I have to disagree. Our base shows up for rivals or if we're winning (dominating). This is our first meeting with Norfolk that I can recall. As much as I love the Spartan Legion, we reside in SWAC country in terms of bands...our fans don't know Norfolk. That's not a shot to Norfolk, just pointing that out. I can't speak for others, but I never said just play any HBCU. That was never the issue. It's losing the rivals off the schedule that's plaguing those that want to see HBCU bands. The reason many push for the SWAC is because all of our rivals (past & present) reside there, with the exception of Kentucky State. I doubt at this point KSU will move the needle anyways. A D-II or MEAC HBCU won't do much for increasing attendance (maybe A&T). It would have to be one of these 8 SWAC schools : AAMU, FAMU, Grambling, Southern, JSU, Bama State, Alcorn, or UAPB (possibly). So, in other words, you’re saying that we have to depend on these 7 or 8 schools to get a decent crowd to come watch our team play. That’s a sad state of affairs. It's been that way for over three decades. The real sad state of affairs is the administration poor decision to resist that fact and the harm it has done to a once proud and respected program. Because of their unrelenting denial of it. Numbers don't lie but people do.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 18, 2023 12:30:57 GMT -5
I don't really know how you negotiate with the fundraisers(tailgaters).
No opponent is going to curtail that.
A compromise is going to have to be made.
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Post by bluetigga on Oct 18, 2023 15:45:29 GMT -5
I have to disagree. Our base shows up for rivals or if we're winning (dominating). This is our first meeting with Norfolk that I can recall. As much as I love the Spartan Legion, we reside in SWAC country in terms of bands...our fans don't know Norfolk. That's not a shot to Norfolk, just pointing that out. I can't speak for others, but I never said just play any HBCU. That was never the issue. It's losing the rivals off the schedule that's plaguing those that want to see HBCU bands. The reason many push for the SWAC is because all of our rivals (past & present) reside there, with the exception of Kentucky State. I doubt at this point KSU will move the needle anyways. A D-II or MEAC HBCU won't do much for increasing attendance (maybe A&T). It would have to be one of these 8 SWAC schools : AAMU, FAMU, Grambling, Southern, JSU, Bama State, Alcorn, or UAPB (possibly). So, in other words, you’re saying that we have to depend on these 7 or 8 schools to get a decent crowd to come watch our team play. That’s a sad state of affairs. No, this was to 120's point. There is a sector that wants to see TSU's band battle certain bands. This response is to that narrative or request. They don't want to play just any HBCU. They want to see 5-6 specific HBCUS w/ bands. There are two more that may help (Alcorn & UAPB). My point was playing Norfolk, BCU, Lane, KSU, MVSU, etc. does not disspell this narrative that those fans will show up if we play certain HBCUs that bring their band. Norfolk and BCU are good bands, but it didn't move the needle. They either don't know them or don't want them. I'm not saying right or wrong, just want to be clear on if that point had been put to rest or not. Again, there is no one fix for the attendance issue. Different sectors/factions in our base want different things. The only singular truth...the base as a whole does not want the same thing.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 18, 2023 17:58:54 GMT -5
Losing for over 30-years will due that to any institution even if they have a rich and significant sporting (football) history.
Just ask, Prairie View A&M [SWAC], at one time had the longest overall losing streak in college football is 80 losses - who went winless from 1989-1998. What happen to the Head Coach, Haney ? I recall seeing one game there was between five to ten fans in the stands.
Let's go back, JSU had problems with attendance, they hired coach after coach after coach. The fans was ready to run these coaches out of town. "Comegy, Bell, Harold Jackson, Hendrick and Hughes'
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Post by jafusthinker on Oct 19, 2023 22:26:27 GMT -5
I say maybe 14K at the game? LOL . . . that reverse on the kickoff they just ran was absolutely horrible. TSU needs to take complete control of this game, and not let them hang around.
Damn . . . if this was golf, my tee shot would be 2 inches away from the hole.
Attendance: 13,975
And this was against a HBCU, with their band in town.
A study needs to be done as to why Homecoming attendance has dropped so far. I have my theories, but a true analysis needs to be done on this.
14K for a TSU homecoming, on a fairly nice day, is definite cause for concern. At least until they get a temporary jolt in the arm when the new stadium is built.
Those associated with the university are sending a clear message.
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Post by jafusthinker on Oct 19, 2023 22:33:12 GMT -5
Losing for over 30-years will due that to any institution even if they have a rich and significant sporting (football) history.Just ask , Prairie View A&M [SWAC], at one time had the longest overall losing streak in college football is 80 losses - who went winless from 1989-1998. What happen to the Head Coach, Haney ? I recall seeing one game there was between five to ten fans in the stands. Let's go back, JSU had problems with attendance, they hired coach after coach after coach. The fans was ready to run these coaches out of town. "Comegy, Bell, Harold Jackson, Hendrick and Hughes' tsu120, Exactly, and unfortunately much like Tennessee State University, we, Prairie View A&M University (administrators over the years), did it to ourselves. Honestly, Prairie View A&M University and Tennessee State University have a ‘similar’ rich sporting heritage (NAIA Basketball Championships (1 - 3), HBCU Football Championship (6-16 from 1950 to 1975 (5-8)), NAIA/NCAA Football Playoff (NAIA Championship finalist and NCAA Bowl appearances/wins, and iconic coaches Billy Nicks/John Merritt). Then the bottom starts to fall out after 1985 (PVAMU lack of commitment (SWAC (zero scholarships)/athletics operational funding limitations) - TNSU lack of commitment (OVC athletics operational funding limitations).
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 19, 2023 22:43:07 GMT -5
Losing for over 30-years will due that to any institution even if they have a rich and significant sporting (football) history.Just ask , Prairie View A&M [SWAC], at one time had the longest overall losing streak in college football is 80 losses - who went winless from 1989-1998. What happen to the Head Coach, Haney ? I recall seeing one game there was between five to ten fans in the stands. Let's go back, JSU had problems with attendance, they hired coach after coach after coach. The fans was ready to run these coaches out of town. "Comegy, Bell, Harold Jackson, Hendrick and Hughes' tsu120, Exactly, and unfortunately much like Tennessee State University, we, Prairie View A&M University (administrators over the years), did it to ourselves. Honestly, Prairie View A&M University and Tennessee State University have a ‘similar’ rich sporting heritage (NAIA Basketball Championships (1 - 3), HBCU Football Championship (6-16 from 1950 to 1975 (5-8)), NAIA/NCAA Football Playoff (NAIA Championship finalist and NCAA Bowl appearances/wins, and iconic coaches Billy Nicks/John Merritt). Then the bottom starts to fall out after 1985 (PVAMU lack of commitment (SWAC (zero scholarships)/athletics operational funding limitations) - TNSU lack of commitment (OVC athletics operational funding limitations). The new President is going to be very important. The person needs to decide to fund athletics. Everyone loves the current and thinks that she is so progressive. Remember, she cut the athletics budget. She chose to defund athletics for almost 5 years and we have been only fully funded for 3 years. Folks are directing their anger all towards eddie and mikki Allen.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 19, 2023 22:58:43 GMT -5
Side note. Did norfolk's cheerleaders come?
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Post by tsucrat on Oct 20, 2023 5:58:49 GMT -5
Side note. Did norfolk's cheerleaders come? Yes, and they strangely set up on the empty corner of the stadium.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 20, 2023 7:50:18 GMT -5
The new President is going to be very important. The person needs to decide to fund athletics.
Everyone loves the current and thinks that she is so progressive. Remember, she cut the athletics budget.
She chose to defund athletics for almost 5 years and we have been only fully funded for 3 years.
Folks are directing their anger all towards eddie and mikki Allen.
As the Old Folks, would say "And that the God's honest truth"
We discussed the the subject on this site. The budgets were cut for all departments. The reasoning, was the "Budget needed Balancing" be that true of false.
Progressive, yeah right - attempting to build an Arch "Dr. Glenda Glover Way"
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Post by bluedog on Oct 20, 2023 9:33:15 GMT -5
The new President is going to be very important. The person needs to decide to fund athletics. Everyone loves the current and thinks that she is so progressive. Remember, she cut the athletics budget. She chose to defund athletics for almost 5 years and we have been only fully funded for 3 years.
Folks are directing their anger all towards eddie and mikki Allen. As the Old Folks, would say "And that the God's honest truth" We discussed the the subject on this site. The budgets were cut for all departments. The reasoning, was the "Budget needed Balancing" be that true of false. Progressive, yeah right - attempting to build an Arch "Dr. Glenda Glover Way" If memory serves me correctly,she did this in the wake of the school being put on notice that it was being put on probation by the regional accreditation SCAS. There was a whole lot of negro foolishness going on. Even way before her, but yeah blame a southernite for the 💩 show of your own making.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 20, 2023 11:06:48 GMT -5
but yeah blame a southernite for the 💩 show of your own making
I promised DC, I would behave myself. However, that's like saying SU blaming TSU for the NCAA placing SU, Athletics Department on probation - for the lack of institutional control.
Interesting SU played Lincoln University, for Homecoming [45-18] in front of 21,492 screaming fans. It will be interesting to see the final score against BC this weekend. Are you going to the Game?
Met this young lady from Baton Rouge - SU graduate. Sister, sho can cook.
But it's all good -
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Post by bluedog on Oct 20, 2023 12:15:31 GMT -5
but yeah blame a southernite for the 💩 show of your own makingI promised DC, I would behave myself. However, that's like saying SU blaming TSU for the NCAA placing SU, Athletics Department on probation - for the lack of institutional control. Interesting SU played Lincoln University, for Homecoming [45-18] in front of 21,492 screaming fans. It will be interesting to see the final score against BC this weekend. Are you going to the Game? Met this young lady from Baton Rouge - SU graduate. Sister, sho can cook. But it's all good - Now you're sounding like the Tennessee State legislation. Just rambling on making nonsensical comments that has absolutely nothing to do with anything or an ounce of sense. In an attempt to deflect from their self inflicted chaos. But hey, keep going. If nothing else it helps feeds that monsters called denial.
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