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Post by bluedog on Aug 15, 2022 12:15:23 GMT -5
Yep, No NDSU poster has come on here threatening to fight people. Which poster/posters was that? Sound like another one of your millions lies you go on a rant about.
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Post by bluedog on Aug 15, 2022 12:19:32 GMT -5
TSU is and historically independent in thought, action and behavior. The legends were intent on playing the best competition no matter who they are and where they reside. That does not amount to assimilation as much as joining a HBCU because others not associated with TSU want us to assimilate to their way of thinking. WE ARE THE TSU BIG BLUE TIGERS!!! "PERIOD" WE WILL PLAY ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!!!! That is the fact. We can go down the list of PWIs that we played and beat. Proud of those too. Hey Einstein, you're in a pwi conference.
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Post by tsuDFW on Aug 15, 2022 13:04:17 GMT -5
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Aug 15, 2022 15:07:15 GMT -5
That is the fact. We can go down the list of PWIs that we played and beat. Proud of those too. Hey Einstein, you're in a pwi conference. As you know, TSU football existed long before joining the OVC. As such TSU played several PWIs long before joining the OVC. TSU actually played most of the OVC schools long before joining the OVC. Additionally, since joining the OVC TSU played PWIs that are not OVC members. I'm pretty certain that is what he's making reference to.
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Post by bluedog on Aug 15, 2022 15:25:11 GMT -5
Hey Einstein, you're in a pwi conference. As you know, TSU football existed long before joining the OVC. As such TSU played several PWIs long before joining the OVC. TSU actually played most of the OVC schools long before joining the OVC. Additionally, since joining the OVC TSU played PWIs that are not OVC members. I'm pretty certain that is what he's making reference to. Not that it matters to me but for accuracy sakes. The fact is TnST rarely played any pwis before joining the OVC. The overwhelming majority of which were against OVC competition. Even so, during that initial period up until the mid 2000's the number of games played against meac and SWAC competition combined were somewhere in the range of 150 games more than your actual conference games.
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Post by jafusthinker on Aug 15, 2022 15:52:28 GMT -5
Take it with a grain of salt. They aren't about scheduling anyone they perceive as being weaker than them. Most of their replies were regarding the attempts to schedule FBS schools anyway. At least they didn't disrespect us for being an HBCU. Unlike our HBCU brothers and sisters who love to say we are just trying to be white just because we aren't in an HBCU conference. Trying to be "White"Â Blue Who said it, most of those that's affiliated with the "SWAC" Those comments goes back to the old SWAC Page (FANS), especially, those from JSU and a few other stragglers from other SWAC Schools. There were a few "Negro" announcers saying the same. Some of those clowns were luck to have a job. Right Jafus!đź‘€
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Post by jafusthinker on Aug 15, 2022 15:59:17 GMT -5
To each his own, I suppose. Assimilation has its pros and cons. TSU is and historically independent in thought, action and behavior. The legends were intent on playing the best competition no matter who they are and where they reside. That does not amount to assimilation as much as joining a HBCU because others not associated with TSU want us to assimilate to their way of thinking. WE ARE THE TSU BIG BLUE TIGERS!!! "PERIOD" WE WILL PLAY ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!!!! Interesting Debate! Tennessee State has been associated with a conference more than it has been affiliated as operating as an independent. However, I think in terms of fan support and marketing relevance, winning seasons and championships are more important than scheduling games against top ranked competition. It will be an interesting case study to continue to watch.
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Post by tsundenver on Aug 15, 2022 17:46:48 GMT -5
TSU is and historically independent in thought, action and behavior. The legends were intent on playing the best competition no matter who they are and where they reside. That does not amount to assimilation as much as joining a HBCU because others not associated with TSU want us to assimilate to their way of thinking. WE ARE THE TSU BIG BLUE TIGERS!!! "PERIOD" WE WILL PLAY ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!!!! Interesting Debate! Tennessee State has been associated with a conference more than it has been affiliated as operating as an independent. However, I think in terms of fan support and marketing relevance, winning seasons and championships are more important than scheduling games against top ranked competition. It will be an interesting case study to continue to watch. In other words, TSU has historically been self-governing within the HBCU community. I agree TSU will make an interesting case study. We will see how much success we have when the administration adds the needed resources that the current staff enjoys as compared to the previous staff having to operate with one hand tied behind its back. Other D1 HBCUs that are FOLLOWING in TSUs footsteps by stepping out of their comfort zones will enjoy the luxury of knowing where TSU fell in a pit and where we were successful.. What would John Merritt do?
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Post by bluedog on Aug 15, 2022 17:49:38 GMT -5
Sounds like the exact same things that's been said the last three and a half decades. How long does a case study needs to be? Really...
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Post by jafusthinker on Aug 15, 2022 19:11:39 GMT -5
Interesting Debate! Tennessee State has been associated with a conference more than it has been affiliated as operating as an independent. However, I think in terms of fan support and marketing relevance, winning seasons and championships are more important than scheduling games against top ranked competition. It will be an interesting case study to continue to watch. In other words, TSU has historically been self-governing within the HBCU community. I agree TSU will make an interesting case study. We will see how much success we have when the administration adds the needed resources that the current staff enjoys as compared to the previous staff having to operate with one hand tied behind its back. Other D1 HBCUs that are FOLLOWING in TSUs footsteps by stepping out of their comfort zones will enjoy the luxury of knowing where TSU fell in a pit and where we were successful.. What would John Merritt do? The need for additional resources, in an continuous effort to compete against other institutions that are seeking additional resources as well, is an example of hyper-capitalism. It is a circular action. With that said, those will be two additional case studies of interest. Fortunately, history shows us exactly what Coach John Merritt did.
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Post by bluetigga on Aug 15, 2022 19:20:38 GMT -5
What made us who were are was playing the best, wherever, whenever. Many times that was SWAC schools that we grew rivalries with. However, any PWI could get the smoke too. And while I miss those rivarlries, this isn't new. Merritt would've wanted a shot at NDSU. John Merrit would have had enough sense to understand you didn't have to forsake your culture to do that. The same as Thomas did except that Thomas didn't have the same clout to stop it. But keep telling yourself that no matter how old and tiresome the talking point is. How is playing NDSU forsaking culture? Playing NDSU fits the culture Merritt built at TSU. No one can tell me different on that Blue. We played the best HBCUs and the best PWIs willing to schedule an HBCU back then. Different times, but the intentions remain the same on my end. Whether we are in the SWAC, OVC, or MEAC, I'd still be in favor of scheduling the best program in our division. Currently, that's NDSU. No souls will be sold to schedule this game. Now, I will say sitting idle in the OVC does not fit the mold or culture we want for TSU. However, that will get addressed soon enough.
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Post by jafusthinker on Aug 15, 2022 19:21:01 GMT -5
Sounds like the exact same things that's been said the last three and a half decades. How long does a case study needs to be? Really... Great point! I can only suggest this an extensive multi-generational longitudinal case study.
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Post by tsundenver on Aug 15, 2022 19:31:32 GMT -5
In other words, TSU has historically been self-governing within the HBCU community. I agree TSU will make an interesting case study. We will see how much success we have when the administration adds the needed resources that the current staff enjoys as compared to the previous staff having to operate with one hand tied behind its back. Other D1 HBCUs that are FOLLOWING in TSUs footsteps by stepping out of their comfort zones will enjoy the luxury of knowing where TSU fell in a pit and where we were successful.. What would John Merritt do? The need for additional resources, in an continuous effort to compete against other institutions that are seeking additional resources as well, is an example of hyper-capitalism. It is a circular action. With that said, those will be two additional case studies of interest. Fortunately, history shows us exactly what Coach John Merritt did. Thanks for civility in your response... Good to have a discussion where we are engaged in intellectual debate which we enjoy on this site. Coach Merritt did what he could at the time he was coaching the Big Blue. Unfortunately, he was not allowed to compete at the level he desired. What WOULD he do if he was coaching TODAY. Additionally, TSU has just now began to put resources into the program whereas competing universities have always had. We are playing catch up.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Aug 15, 2022 20:12:34 GMT -5
As you know, TSU football existed long before joining the OVC. As such TSU played several PWIs long before joining the OVC. TSU actually played most of the OVC schools long before joining the OVC. Additionally, since joining the OVC TSU played PWIs that are not OVC members. I'm pretty certain that is what he's making reference to. Not that it matters to me but for accuracy sakes. The fact is TnST rarely played any pwis before joining the OVC. The overwhelming majority of which were against OVC competition. Even so, during that initial period up until the mid 2000's the number of games played against meac and SWAC competition combined were somewhere in the range of 150 games more than your actual conference games. LMAO!!! Oh well.... anyway.... I didn't state anything about the volume of PWI's we played nor did I imply that it was significant to the number of HBCU games we played. I just made a simple statement to point out that TSU's history of playing PWIs existing prior to us joining the OVC as your sarcasm implied. Of course we played more SWAC and MEAC schools. That was just the nature of things due to segregation, racism and the landscape of college football for decades prior to TSU joining the OVC.
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Post by roknows50 on Aug 15, 2022 20:25:44 GMT -5
Case studies are fine as long as we are willing to look at the truth.
The data being shown is folks trying to throw shade and not really looking at data.
Like many people will cite the lack championship that we have gotten in the OVC.
What about those hbcus in the swac and meac who have even less than us?
I haven't seen anyone recommend that those teams leave their respective conferences or drop a division?
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