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Post by bluedog on Jan 17, 2022 12:00:02 GMT -5
Well you didn't do a very good job of not going around in circles. As a matter of fact you made the circle just that much bigger. You went from asking "So should they stay in their place" to asking "what's wrong with them trying a different path." None of which has anything to do with my comment. Which was pretty straightforward. But you some how turn it into some complex sentence of underlined meaning. Just as I had no idea what you meant by "So they should stay in their place". As it relates to my comment. I'm just as confused by the claim that they are trying a different path. What's so different about their path? Haven't they already done that and failed miserably?
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Post by tiger1 on Jan 17, 2022 14:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by bluetigga on Jan 17, 2022 15:47:33 GMT -5
They're talking about leaving a conference where they couldn't finish any higher than 4th. To join a conference where they probably won't finish any higher than 11th. Sheer insanity I don't think you worry about where you're going to finish. Going to the CAA should help them in recruiting. They have more natural rivals there than they did in the Big South. Also, the Big South is not stable. So far James Madison is the only movement we've seen from the CAA. This move makes sense. Better basketball and football conference. The opportunity just needed to present itself and it did. Good move for Hampton. Maybe not for some other schools, but I think it is for them...and possibly A&T too. |
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Post by bluedog on Jan 17, 2022 16:38:39 GMT -5
They're talking about leaving a conference where they couldn't finish any higher than 4th. To join a conference where they probably won't finish any higher than 11th. Sheer insanity I don't think you worry about where you're going to finish. Going to the CAA should help them in recruiting. That's the exact same thing that was said when they (meac) opt out of the heritage bowl for the fcs playoffs. It's the exact same thing that was said when they abandon the meac for the Big South. Over three decades and a half later the same old tired script is being used for poor judgment at best and plain old fashion stupidity at worst. Name one school that left one failed attempt at a conference change. To go to another conference that's three times as tough and knowing they aren't going to be able to even be mediocre in that conference. Name one.... I'll wait. As one of your Illustrious posters said, TnST is a big enough case study for all schools not to make the same mistake. In this case they are letting their administration double down on the ridiculous. The worst thing about all this, he won't be anywhere to be found to even try and help clean up the mess. |
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Post by Wheatstraw78 on Jan 17, 2022 18:02:15 GMT -5
Bluedog remind me again. What conference did Tennessee State University leave to join the OVC?
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Post by bluedog on Jan 17, 2022 19:56:37 GMT -5
Bluedog remind me again. What conference did Tennessee State University leave to join the OVC? Bruh just delete your account. Smh... |
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Post by Wheatstraw78 on Jan 17, 2022 20:40:22 GMT -5
Mutt, just answer the question.
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Post by tsumadness on Jan 17, 2022 20:48:03 GMT -5
Haha!
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Post by tsucrat on Jan 17, 2022 20:57:44 GMT -5
That's the exact same thing that was said when they (meac) opt out of the heritage bowl for the fcs playoffs. It's the exact same thing that was said when they abandon the meac for the Big South. Over three decades and a half later the same old tired script is being used for poor judgment at best and plain old fashion stupidity at worst. Name one school that left one failed attempt at a conference change. To go to another conference that's three times as tough and knowing they aren't going to be able to even be mediocre in that conference. Name one.... I'll wait. As one you your Illustrious posters said, TnST is a big enough case study for all schools not to make the same mistake. In this case they are letting their administration double down on the ridiculous. The worst thing about all this is, he won't be anywhere to be found to even try and help clean up the mess. That part seems to answer my question....mostly. Which lead to some of other comments you don't like. But reading your response there, I guess its safe to assume that your position is that since they are not good enough to compete in that conference, they shouldn't be trying to play in that conference. That's a fair opinion.
Just for clarification, when I said "different path" I meant doing something different than just competing in an HBCU conference. Hampton and NCA&T are not TSU. Yes TSU did fail to an extent, but I'd put that mostly on inability to keep up with some their counterparts in financing and building winning cultures. And in the process also did alienate a large part of the fan base. I'm hoping Hampton and NCA&T paid attention and will either navigate that pitfall or at least be like FAMU and realize when it's time to step back and regroup. And I'm assuming it takes more than just a president to make this move happen.
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Post by tsundenver on Jan 17, 2022 22:02:02 GMT -5
DARE TO BE DIFFERENT
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Post by bluedog on Jan 17, 2022 22:25:14 GMT -5
Just for clarification, when I said "different path" I meant doing something different than just competing in an HBCU conference.
Which is why I asked the question. "What's so different about their path? Didn't they do that already and failed miserably?" |
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Post by bluedog on Jan 17, 2022 22:30:01 GMT -5
I have yet to figure out what's so different about blacks folks taking their most valuable commodity out of their neighborhood (so to speak) and giving it to those that didn't want them to move in until forced. Instead of pooling their resources together (i.e. black walls Street.Now that was different) to build their "OWN" Economic structure. Maybe you can clarify that for me, since you seem to believe this is some daring different new Phenomenon. |
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Post by tsundenver on Jan 17, 2022 22:54:22 GMT -5
I have yet to figure out what's so different about blacks taking their most valuable commodity out of their neighborhood (so to speak) and giving it to those that didn't want them to move in until forced. Instead of pooling their resources together (i.e. black walls Street.Now that was different) to build their "OWN" Economic structure. Maybe you can clarify that for me, since you seem to believe this is some daring different new Phenomenon. For the record I am on board with owning our own schools, businesses, theologies, bowl games, conferences and ETC... But that does not mean settling for not being the best of the best. That does not mean entering in the back door That does not mean riding on the back of the bus (dare to be different) We are a brilliant people that can do great things in all societies Have the best College Bowl game and win the National Championship Playoffs (dare to be different) We can graduate from West Point where no one talked to us for the entire time (dare to be different) or attend a HBCU and become a Navy Admiral. (A TSU Engineering student in my class) We can create the light bulb, perform successful openheart surgery and discover blood plasma and continue to live in our own neighborhood if we desire. Or we can dare to cross the railroad track and make a bold move to integrate schools at the risk of life and limb. Do I like playing football in the OVC? No. but it was the vision of some of the greatest football coaches to ever live to compete with and defeat the best of the best. (dare to be different) (TSU crossed the tracks to the OVC) Or we can stay in our comfort zone and choose not to be competitive. The move to a white football conference has to be a daring move just based on all of the attention TSU, Hampton and A&T gets from other HBCUs. |
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Post by tsucrat on Jan 17, 2022 23:15:05 GMT -5
Just for clarification, when I said "different path" I meant doing something different than just competing in an HBCU conference.
Which is why I asked the question. "What's so different about their path? Didn't they do that already and failed miserably?" We've mentioned several schools. I assume you are referring to TSU when you say "failed miserably " True the OVC experiment has not gone well. But again, a large portion of that is how the school handicapped its athletic programs at times. However, with options left for conference alliances, I do believe we are on an uncomfortable but steady path to being a school that is sought after. Some sports more uncomfortable than others. A&T and Hampton, have they really failed yet? What's different about A&T and Hampton path? How many other HBCUs are doing the same thing that they are? |
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Post by bluedog on Jan 18, 2022 0:07:02 GMT -5
 Jan 17, 2022 22:15:05 GMT -6 tsucrat said:  Jan 17, 2022 21:25:14 GMT -6 bluedog said: Which is why I asked the question. "What's so different about their path? Didn't they do that already and failed miserably?" We've mentioned several schools. I assume you are referring to TSU when you say "failed miserably " True the OVC experiment has not gone well. But again, a large portion of that is how the school handicapped its athletic programs at times. However, with options left for conference alliances, I do believe we are on an uncomfortable but steady path to being a school that is sought after. Some sports more uncomfortable than others. A&T and Hampton, have they really failed yet? What's different about A&T and Hampton path? How many other HBCUs are doing the same thing that they are? You were specifically talking about Hampton and as I clearly stated in my analogy.  Jan 17, 2022 21:30:01 GMT -6 bluedog said: I have yet to figure out what's so different about blacks folks taking their most valuable commodity out of their neighborhood (so to speak) and giving it to those that didn't want them to move in until forced. Instead of pooling their resources together (i.e. black walls Street.Now that was different) to build their "OWN" Economic structure. Maybe you can clarify that for me, since you seem to believe this is some daring different new Phenomenon. Answer: it's extremely common. I would love for some well known Psychologists to do a case study. As to what make some blacks folks believe they are breaking new grounds and going down a path no other Black person has gone. By giving all of their resources to others and not having enough faith in themselves to pool their resources together to help create economic freedom and wealth. It would no doubt be a best seller. |
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