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Post by bluetigga on Oct 31, 2017 11:21:22 GMT -5
Something has to give...I'm speechless. I love coach Reed as a recruiter, but I'm not sure about him being a head coach anymore. Not sure how this team can struggle this bad. Yes the OVC has gotten better during his term, but we shouldn't be struggling the way we are.
As far as conference alignment goes,I don't care about people saying we're running from the OVC. We all know we're not scared of the OVC, but it no longer offers us growth. Our fans have spoken and at this point we can't ignore it. We can't be losing games and support. Even worse, when we were winning we were losing support (2013). I hated what senior day looked like for the 2012, 2013 and 2014 seniors. We need our fanbase to grow again, and it won't as long as we're in the OVC. It's time to say bye! Some of the other things make it a lot easier to leave.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 31, 2017 12:49:38 GMT -5
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You are 100% correct "something has to give" nothing is going to change until the AD is replaced or she tell Reed to make a change.
The program started t decline when Bill Thomas became the AD / HC and it continued under Bill Davis and Reese.
Cole, became the HC and you could see light at the end of the tunnel. He left, not of NCAA infractions. But, other issues, it was Hefner and the university at large that placed TSU on probation. There were several NCAA infractions that cause the NCAA to placed TSU on probation at the request of Hefner, self-imposed probation. The AD and others listen to Hope Hines, degrade Cole and the program. Neither, the AD or Hefner, had the guts to step up and tell the News Media to stay out of TSU business. Hines, mentioned the QB that came from Florida or Florida State, about how he was a criminal.
Those TSU alumni, that are part of the Legislators, set back and said nothing, with the exception of Ford, from Memphis.
There were several organizations that supported the sports programs, question is why was they disbanded.
I could go on and on, because I see it daily.
The problem is not the OVC and the answer is not the MEAC or SWAC.
There is a bible scripture that talk about "a person looking into the mirror" well TSU really need to take a look at TSU.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 31, 2017 15:07:17 GMT -5
Hefner made the right call on Cole. Cole kept the same habits throughout.
One could argue that their behavior got worse as time went on.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 31, 2017 18:18:49 GMT -5
Cole quit, he was not fired by Hefner. Afterwards, Hefner offered the HC position to his brother.
But, as time passed the truth came out about Hefner and others at the university. If it was not for some Legislators. The SBR was going to fire Hefner.
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Post by tiger1 on Oct 31, 2017 19:52:52 GMT -5
The program needs to be evaluated from top to bottom and changes have to be made.
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Post by tsumadness on Oct 31, 2017 20:17:22 GMT -5
No doubt, Cole left before he was fired. But he was on his way out and continued his cheating ways throughout his career. The dude could coach, tho!
As for Hefner, he did more to build enrollment and the university more than anyone since President Humphries. Yeah, he was a business man, and you can't use blue money to buy things that requires red money, but if we all knew what he was buying, we would all probably applaud him.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 31, 2017 21:19:26 GMT -5
Real growth won't happen at TSU until we allow people to be hired to do their job.
At the end of the day, The President has the final say on athletics. That is the main problem. No President should have that power over a school.
TSU has to culturally change. We can't keep running to the President about every thing.
I am sorry, but I just think fire coaches and ADs are just quick fixes to make us feel better. Long term, we will be asking the new AD and Coach to be let go as well.
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Post by betonblue on Nov 1, 2017 10:26:29 GMT -5
No doubt, Cole left before he was fired. But he was on his way out and continued his cheating ways throughout his career. The dude could coach, tho! As for Hefner, he did more to build enrollment and the university more than anyone since President Humphries. Yeah, he was a business man, and you can't use blue money to buy things that requires red money, but if we all knew what he was buying, we would all probably applaud him. you said the key word (madness) THE DUDE COULD COACH AND THAT'S WHAT TSU IS MISSING
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Post by tsu120 on Nov 1, 2017 10:48:14 GMT -5
50 What you said is true about growth and the culture changing.
TSU as well as a majority HBCU are stuck in a time warp and can’t figure how to escape it. I am more disappointed in TSU, because for many years the university seems to not be part of the traditional mentality of HBCU, for some reason they have regressed and failed to understand to survive the school must progress.
Firing coaches may not be the answer, but it often gets their attention.
As for Cole, it interesting when ASU accused him of grade fixing, but later had to admit they were telling a lie. And it really, really interesting if the Cole brothers was that bad, why would Hefner offer the HC to his brother. The NCAA, really did not impose penalties on the Football program, they accepted what the university submitted to the NCAA as part of an internal investigation.
I my memory is correct, the university was placed on probation per se’ because of violations of regulations governing financial aid, recruiting, extra benefits, institutional control, and ethical conduct. There we violations from practically every athletic program; men’s tennis and golf and mostly the lack of Instructional Control and one of the main problems was financial aid awarded to the athletes.
I remember, Dr. Smith, installed various checks and balances for various parts of the Athletic program. Afterwards, he mysteriously was terminated from the position of AD.
Let’s be honest, most of us that live in Nashville, know why Cole removed himself from the program and who were the villains and the role they played.
One thing for sure, Cole knew after winning the two OVC Championship, his days were numbered.
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Post by BETONBLUE on Nov 1, 2017 11:15:04 GMT -5
TSU120 YOU ARE THE SECOND PERSON THATS CORRECT ON THE COLE BROTHERS SITUATION (COLE KNEW AFTER WINNING THE OVC BACK-TO-BACK) HIS DAYS WERE NUMBERED, WHY BECAUSE THE OVC ITSELF DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THEM GUYS BEATING UP ON THERE OLD TRADITIONAL CONFERENCE TEAMS THE WAY HE WAS WOOPING THEM SCHOOLS SOMETHING HAD TO CHANGE.
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Post by roknows50 on Nov 1, 2017 12:39:40 GMT -5
I see we are revising history on Cole's NCAA activity. You can easily google and neither Cole was cleared on any wrong doing. They were even accused of more things at other schools. Those dudes weren't innocent. Hefner's motivations might not have been pure, but he clearly knew what was going down. You all knew what was going down as well. Actually, I guarantee that some of you all saw it as well. Honestly, it is still sad how much the Cole brothers are still brought up when speaking on their ethics. It is just another reflection of which way TSU is driving itself. Alright, I am making up a pact with myself. I won't speak on Cole and his multiple violations that they haven't been cleared from. drive.google.com/file/d/15DRK48P2im7bxZJ1GY2055mhK78W5DFhrXFmj25M0xAlmXWOVQ9iBdbzQxkQ/view
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Post by roarman53 on Nov 1, 2017 12:49:46 GMT -5
tsu120 Said:
I remember, Dr. Smith, installed various checks and balances for various parts of the Athletic program. Afterwards, he mysteriously was terminated from the position of AD.
120, Don't you remember the events that led up to Dr Smiths Firing? Let me refresh your memory...During Dr Smiths employment with TSU there was a story that came out that TSU along with about five more HBCU's were going to apply for FBS, all this was done (meetings among the participants) with out Hefners knowledge, when Hefner found out about it and received info that TSU's AD Dr Smith was its Chief Architect, He immediately drew up papers to fire him. By coincidence I had placed a call to the late TSU Sports Information Director Kindell Stephens on an unrelated matter. Kindell Stephens told me that Hefner was looking for Dr Smith so he could serve him with the papers, and that I should place a call to the Late TSU Alum Dwight Lewis who was working for the Tennessean and to inform him of whats going and see if he could get a hold of Dr Smith before Hefner did.
The rest is History...Sigh!
Ironically, after the news came out that their were HBCU's seeking to move to 1A Football the NCAA placed a two year Moratorium on who could move up and when it was lifted came out with various new rules and regulations making it much much harder for the poorer schools (HBCU's) to move up in Classification
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Post by tsu120 on Nov 1, 2017 14:21:57 GMT -5
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Exactly, plus Hope Hines, turned against TSU, in the past he had been a big supporter of TSU, He really turned against TSU when the QB from Florida transferred to TSU calling him all kind of names and the TSU Administration kept their mouths closed.
He became upset, when Butterfield transferred from Michigan. There was not a day that he was not commenting about TSU and L C Cole.
And after the second Championship, Cole’s status as a coach and the two championships had Nashville buzzing and hungry for a 1AA Championship. Hefner, got upset because, of Coles status with the alumni, students and community. That’s when he instructed some on Cole’s staff to tell everything they know and we know one of them. Hefner, wanted to be TSU and not Cole.
Hefner, made it very clear, that he was about academics and not athletics. And there in nothing wrong with that. The both can coexist.
Sure, Hefner increased the enrollment at the university and almost lost his job. Because, he start using money that was earmarked for instate students and start using it for outer state students. Yes, Hefner knew what was going down and coming around the corner. I saw it from the perspective of TSU as well as Audits.
Roar, yes indeed. And don’t forget the athletic department came under scrutiny, by the state because of some inappropriate dealings.
And one of the rules had something to do with making the HC responsible for everything that is related to their respective program. How can you hold a HC responsible for the amount of financial aid received by an athlete? Smith was basically let go, because he started asking questions and some folks die not like him snooping. I remember, when the auditors left 3500 John A Merritt Blvd, and filed their report. If it was not nor for a few TSU Alumni / Legislators, several on campuses were going to be fired.
What's ironic, a majority are clueless on how Hefner became the president..
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Post by roarman53 on Nov 1, 2017 14:37:51 GMT -5
120, The QB although I can't think of his name was from Florida State...carry on!
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Nov 1, 2017 14:53:34 GMT -5
One of the most complicated and baffling issues facing TSU and TSU athletics is the level of strife among alumni, students and supporters.
What does that mean? It means there is such a high level of negativity, discord, bitterness and conflict within the family called TSU. So much so that even when something is going well, we still find ways to knock it down. It means that too many who say that they love and support TSU only do so when things are done their way. It means we perpetually live in a constant state of doom and gloom. while never attempting to be part of the solution. It means we have chosen to constantly and persistently shine the light on how bad we are instead of coming together to be the guiding light that will build TSU into the institution and the athletic power we desire for it to be. It shows how weak our foundation is as a collective people with a common purpose.
One thing I can say about some of our sister HBCU's is how they stand up for their university even in dark times. I wish TSU alumni, students, supporters and fans could unite in the same manner as I've seen take place at other HBCU's and non-HBCU's for that matter. While we love our fellow HBCU's, we also love to hate them when in competition with them. But it's hard to dislike the positive attitude if not cockiness that so many of them have even if they don't have the top football, basketball, whatever team. Yes, they all have their issues too. But, somehow they still manage to stand proud of being a Rattler, a Jaguar, a J-State Tiger, a Wildcat, an Aggie, a Bison, a Hornet, etc. I don't sense that anymore among TSU alumni, students and fans. All I sense is bitterness and sometimes viciousness. That's the image and message that we carry with us, and we distribute our bitterness and negativity where ever we go and where ever we can write an opinion.
We spew half truths, we spew hearsay, we spew assumptions, we spew opinions and thoughts of what others have said. We often take what has been spewed as facts, not knowing one way or another. But "your source" has such the inside track on everything TSU that it has to be true. So, too many of us take everything we hear as fact, especially when it confirms something negative. That's how we are. That's how we think. That's why TSU and TSU athletics is not moving forward.
If we don't change our mindset, nothing will change for the better at TSU. If we don't stop this negativity to the nth degree, we will be responsible for the downfall of our great institution. If we don't start being part of the solution instead of being billboards and megaphones for what is wrong, TSU will crumble right before our eyes. If we don't re-establish our foundation, our core, our pride and our joy for our beloved TSU, there will be no TSU to hail and glorify.
It's a challenge that all of us must decide which side are we on. Continue down this path of negativity or create/or be part of building the TSU we all want TSU to be.
Negativity leads to destruction. Positive thinking, positive actions and positive presentation leads to growth and demand. It's your choice.
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