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Post by roarman53 on Oct 25, 2017 20:13:55 GMT -5
...What "Idea" Do You Have That TSU Could Possibly Use To Enhance It's Football Program??
I think if TSU came up with a viable way to fund a new on campus stadium, getting out of the contract with the Titans shouldn't be an obstacle. We are only playing two games a year though now...I'd really have liked to been a fly on the wall when we negotiated our way of not playing our complete home schedule there...Hmmm!
But back to "the topic" My "Idea" is that if TSU somehow miraculously does get an on campus stadium then we should probably buy up a lot of property around TSU to build revenue producing parking lots, of course they would also be utilized all year long for students and staff...How about this probably never heard of Idea..."Lease" Hadley Park, from the City for "Paid Tailgating" On Game Day's.
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Post by bluetigga on Oct 25, 2017 20:35:41 GMT -5
I like what you said.
I'll add that we need our students to get tied into TSU sports. And moving on campus would help that! But we need alumni and student involvement at home games. To be honest I could care less about OVC road games. They don't bring anyone to us, so I'm not for making them any extra money. But I would love for an on campus stadium to be sold out! And the outside, surrounding area to be vibrant as well. *We'd need under 18 to be accompanied by an adult and have a good amount of security just to keep it fun and safe.
At each game, if we could bring out the sororities and fraternities to the tailgate, maybe give them group seating. That would automatically bring out the ones who want to pledge. Bring out the radio stations (one for the new school, one for the old school). Take back the black community in Nashville and Middle Tennessee. Well we're trying to build up attendance. I'd even offer tickets to Fisk and Meharry students at a discount. Let them have a student discount, the same as a high schooler (high schoolers have to be accompanied by an adult.
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Post by roarman53 on Oct 25, 2017 20:51:40 GMT -5
bluetigga said: I'd even offer tickets to Fisk and Meharry students at a discount. Let them have a student discount, the same as a high schooler (high schoolers have to be accompanied by an adult.
I really like this one!
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Oct 26, 2017 9:05:20 GMT -5
I'm all for a new on campus stadium. Quite honestly getting out of the Nissan Stadium contract won't be a big deal. The Titans and the Nashville Sports Authority has pretty much stated that if TSU builds an on campus stadium they would be supportive of it. If I'm not mistaken there was language in the original contract that stated TSU would be permitted to step away from the contract with little to no penalty if an on-campus stadium is built. That was Dr. Hefner's way of keeping that option on the table. When TSU announced that it would primarily play all OVC games on campus except homecoming, the Titans received that decision without issue. There was no penalty to TSU either. Keep in mind the Titans don't really care to share the stadium with anyone. That's part of the reason those looking to bring MLS to Nashville are not looking at Nissan even as a temporary home for a team. Also keep in mind that the fewer games that are held at Nissan the better the turf holds up for Titans games. That has been an issue over the years as well. It also frees up potential dates for early fall outdoor concerts and possibly neutral site games for bigger FBS programs.
If TSU builds an on-campus stadium, I suspect they will look to build garages over buying additional land for parking. There's plenty of land near the indoor practice facility that could be converted to permanent parking lots as well. That land was used for parking before, it just wasn't paved. Other parking lots on campus can be used to support a new stadium as well. Practically all schools use their student and faculty parking lots for even parking. TSU could do the same. Most are within a short walking distance to the current stadium location. Shuttles could be provided as well. The Gentry Complex parking lot would serve as the primary lot for tailgating. They could also relocate the operations/mechanical facility across from the practice field on Schrader Lane/on the hill behind the indoor practice facility. That's not a major building to rebuild elsewhere on campus and TSU could then convert the land it currently sits on to a bigger parking lot. I'd rather TSU not buy more land in the area to establish parking lots. I'd rather we buy more land in the area to develop as commercial property and lease office/retail/residential space to businesses. This is how Vanderbilt and so many other schools make significant amounts of money. I'd even like to see TSU take control over Hadley Park to expand the campus eastward and make it more visible to the area.
TSU used to offer student tickets to both Fisk and Meharry students. For all I know they still do. But keep in mind, Fisk has less than 900 students undergrad and grad combined. So, while it's a nice gesture to give them tickets, it really does very little in terms of attendance. the only games that the Fisk students attended were primarily the JMC and homecoming. Meharry has a little over 800 students. Most are not from the State of Tennessee as is common for medical schools. So, there's not going to be any real connectivity to TSU unless they happened to have graduated from TSU. I hope that someday TSU will actually make a merger bid for Meharry and merge it into TSU as Meharry Medical College at Tennessee State University.
I get offering high school students discounts, but again, it's not going to boost attendance to any degree. Most high schoolers going to a college football game are going with their parents. Some will go to a homecoming game with a group, like we used to do back in the day. Of course I went to every TSU home game because of my parents being charter members of the former Big Blue Club. There was a student and/or youth ticket costs which I believe they still do.
As for the game experience, I think TSU needs to form a committee to address the game day experience. This committee needs to include representatives from the Athletic Department, the AOB, the cheerleaders, the game announcer, SGA, fraternities and sororities, alumni and supporters. They should collectively meet to discuss the game day experience to include tailgating, pregame, game time and post game. They're goal should be to orchestrate the game day experience from start to finish. It needs to include regularly scheduled activities on game day, it needs to include band arrival and entry, it needs to include a pregame show, it needs to include the halftime show, it needs to be about ways to engage fans during the game, keep them involved during the game and building unity and spirit during the games through cheers, chants, songs and sound/video effects. We should even find ways to use a TSU app, text messaging and twitting to engage fans during the day and during the game.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 26, 2017 11:26:38 GMT -5
Years ago, there was some talk about TSU acquiring Hadley Park. There were several concerns / problems, expressed by the North Nashville Community. The main concern was the historical significance of the park, that being the first public park in the U S for African Americans. And the other issue was it is the only public park in North Nashville.
I believe, TSU has always offered the students and faculty discounts tickets
On Campus Facility, would be great. One thing alumni and others often forget is, TSU is land locked, by the river and surrounding community.
And the other problem is accessibility / limited access, try moving a similar number of vehicles on 28th that was at NISSAN during Homecoming.
TSU / State Government, has purchased some property on “forgot the street name”
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 26, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5
Better facilities for rehab is the main thing right now. I am including weight room and training equipment as well.
Also, we do need more space. Our indoor sports are using high school facilities for practice. That isn't good.
Student first, I am not inclined to build a new football stadium, because I don't see that as the main problem for the football team.
I mean, we only play a few amount games anyway.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Oct 26, 2017 12:09:23 GMT -5
TSU is no more land locked than Vanderbilt. It's about how you use that land. You have to build up not out. The apartments should have been 3 and 4 story buildings when they were built. That would have increased housing. The new dorms they plan to build should be high rise not low rise. If they are smart they should also consider at least two levels of underground parking for each dorm or an adjoining parking garage between the two. TSU cannot afford to use land for surface parking lots. But in now way should these new dorms be garden apartment style.
We've said it before that the outdoor basketball structure next to Gentry should be converted to a practice facility for basketball. There's also space to expand that so that volleyball could use it. A weight room could easily be added to the indoor practice facility. It seems to me they have rooms in there that aren't being used properly.
The stadium is not the problem for the football team. But it doesn't help them. I no longer buy into that it's a selling point for recruits. I know I wouldn't be impressed with playing in stadium that is more than 3/4's empty all the time. I'm for a new on-campus stadium simply because it would be TSU's not shared. TSU could also host events as well. A stadium similar to the footprint of Alabama States would fit into that of the Hale Stadium. I also think that to achieve a good game day experience we need a more intimate environment. Nissan is just way to big for that when you only have 10K-20K people there. But regardless of where we play, TSU has to do more to improve the actual game day experience. Especially during the games.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 26, 2017 14:33:38 GMT -5
Fans just need to come in. Problem solved.
The school needs to spend more on marketing. Your committee is a good suggestion.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 26, 2017 22:26:07 GMT -5
Also, we don't play teams that really require us to play in a larfe stadium either.
I am not too focused on the size. We play ib large stadiums for classic.
There is still an engagement issue with a lot of people in it.
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Post by tsu120 on Oct 27, 2017 7:23:17 GMT -5
Building up “Vertical” does not eliminate TSU from being landlocked.
TSU, is landlocked because the university is enclosed by the Cumberland Rive; from 28th Avenue / Ed Temple to the street behind the Engineering Building; 31st Avenue; Alameda Street; 39th; Schrader Lane / Herman Street and to a degree Walter Davis and other streets the surround the main campus.
TSU as well as VANDY is landlocked, because there is very little room for outward expansion. Building up is called vertical expansion, that’s why VANDY and other local universities are purchasing property close to their universities. VANDY is surrounded by West End and other streets; Trevecca, Murfreesboro Road and local streets, the same with DLU; Memphis State and FISK. Not this not true with UTM, because the university is located in a semi-rural area, surrounded by farm land.
Interstate 40 at White Bridge Road, was landlocked and the only option TDOT had was to build a "flyover" building vertical.
TSU has option:purchase additional land; build on the farm or as someone mention the rehabilitation of Hale.
Problems: If you build up, can the land support the weight of the building. When the land cannot support the weight of the building, over a period of time the structure, will began to have structure problems.
The land on the farm is in a flood zone, and a lot of the land cannot support large buildings.
The problem with Hale “The Hole” other than being old with severe structure problems, it is called the Hole, because the stadium was built on a “landfill” underneath the facility, it filled with debris.
At this point, the structure of Hale is so bad, it would be a waste of resources and I doubt if the State Building Commission and Board of Regents would approve the rehabilitation of Hale, because, it would have to meet the construction standards of 2017.
Truthfully, Hale was not renovated in 2012
There were only cosmetic changes, a few cracks filled. Concrete painted, removed and replaced a few seats, removed the ROTC Building replaced it with a ticket office. I recall an article that stated there were 4,000 extra seats added, an new electronic scoreboard, a HD Video Screen “show me” the items. .
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 27, 2017 7:33:26 GMT -5
Thinking more about this as well.
All the new buildings and new dorms are on the other side of campus anyway.
I would tear down Wilson Hall and put up a parking garage there. Employees can use it to park there during the week. Weekends and weeknights, it can be used for events.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Oct 27, 2017 11:39:02 GMT -5
Thinking more about this as well. All the new buildings and new dorms are on the other side of campus anyway. I would tear down Wilson Hall and put up a parking garage there. Employees can use it to park there during the week. Weekends and weeknights, it can be used for events. Man you can't tear down the zoo... LOL It's legendary.... I was actually thinking that if TSU ever builds a new on campus stadium that Wilson might need to go and a new dorm be incorporated into a stadium design if possible or that could also be the side of the stadium where they consolidate all of the athletic offices and create a hall of fame space and visitor center. But I like your thought of a parking garage. The only issue is the access would be limited unless they restructure the area in front of Hankal to be a driveway to the garage. Which I'm not sure how I feel about that. That's part of the original campus footprint that has gone mostly unchanged. But progress has to take over sometimes. I wouldn't be opposed to building a garage where the surface lot is across from Kean Hall between 32nd and 33rd. That would be an ideal spot for stadium parking because you can have multiple entry and exit points. They can relocate the John Merritt monument to the entry of the stadium. Or, erect a statue of him at the primary entry.
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Post by Bvtiger on Oct 27, 2017 14:15:11 GMT -5
I think Martha Ingram (Billionaires) gave or attempted to give TSU the land on the other side of the Cumberland River about three years ago. What happened with that deal? Apparently, one of her sons received his MBA from TSU and he too is a Millionaire.The land I'm speaking of is located up against on the West side of the Cumberland???
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 27, 2017 14:46:44 GMT -5
Those looks like good leads. John Ingram got his MBA from Vandy. I can't find anything on Orrin Ingram.
I am sure the city of Nashville will be able to give away other land in North Nashville. I wonder if we would be willing to accept it.
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 27, 2017 14:59:56 GMT -5
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