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Post by tiger1 on Nov 13, 2017 18:50:15 GMT -5
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 13, 2017 18:50:33 GMT -5
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 13, 2017 19:11:32 GMT -5
This story is making the rounds...
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Post by tsumadness on Nov 13, 2017 19:59:15 GMT -5
I tried to stay away from it and not bring it to the board, but since it's here...this is a prime example of lack of discipline and lack institutional control by our coaches. Something like this happened a couple of years ago involving a coach and player. Same ole story in regards to the lack of discipline by our players.
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 13, 2017 20:30:16 GMT -5
I tried to stay away from it and not bring it to the board, but since it's here...this is a prime example of lack of discipline and lack institutional control by our coaches. Something like this happened a couple of years ago involving a coach and player. Same ole story in regards to the lack of discipline by our players.
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Post by roarman53 on Nov 13, 2017 21:16:05 GMT -5
I tried to stay away from it and not bring it to the board, but since it's here...this is a prime example of lack of discipline and lack institutional control by our coaches. Something like this happened a couple of years ago involving a coach and player. Same ole story in regards to the lack of discipline by our players. I think I was the first to report it here (reluctantly) but it was already on the Internet, it would be just a matter of time before the story was all over facebook anyway...Besides...That Kid needs some help...Real Bad!!...He's got some kinda Anger Management Problems...He's Sick!! I wouldn't blame this one on the Coaches!
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Post by roknows50 on Nov 13, 2017 22:14:32 GMT -5
This is sad case. That kid will end up jail for a bit. Not graduate.
I see people will do anything to attack Coach Reed.
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 13, 2017 22:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by roknows50 on Nov 13, 2017 22:41:28 GMT -5
Did God make the kid punch the coach? You have some serious issues. It is real sad how you act on this board and how you attack coach's integrity. We all want TSU to win, but to attack people that way that you do isn't a good sign. Stuff like this happens. They get kicked out of school. The school survives. You should stop being a troll.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Nov 14, 2017 8:33:10 GMT -5
It's unfortunate the player lost control and did what he did. He's now paying the consequences for his actions. Off the team. Dropped from school. And, he could face assault charges. TSU's actions were completely warranted. They handled the situation quickly and also informed the media appropriately. There is no winning in this situation for anyone. There should be no tolerance campus for any physical attack by anyone that is not in self defense.
I honestly don't think this is an example of coaches not instilling discipline and lack of institutional control. Certainly not the latter. Institutional control references operational procedures and practices. This situation has nothing to do with facilitation of policy. I also don't think this situation is at the fault of the coaches because I'm pretty certain this player has found himself being nudged back or told to step back behind the sideline plenty of times during football games. This is simply and unfortunately a situation in which this player loss control for some reason and the trigger happened to be the coach making sure players were behind the sideline. I can only rationalize that something else didn't go his way, or he got pulled out of the game, or he wasn't happy with the way they were playing, who knows for certain? What ever it was, it caused him to take it out on the strength coach doing his job during the game. I can only hope that he apologized for his actions. And, I hope he will learn from this situation and grow from there.
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Post by tsu120 on Nov 14, 2017 9:49:37 GMT -5
This is not a lick of Instruction Control or has anything to do with Reed.
I am going to say this and leave it alone. I attend between 75 to 95% of the practices.
I am not surprised, remember at the beginning of fall practice, I mention there were a player(s) and assistant coach had a heated exchange.
I am not saying that Latrelle was the player or he was correct in his actions, but Greenstone is the “Strength and Conditioning Coach” Not the Head Coach or an Assistant Coach, that call plays. At times his behavior at practice is questionable. There are times that he acts like a bully toward the players.
Going back to beginning of Fall Practice, when the other coaches witnessed the verbal insults from a couple of coaches per se' and a couple of players. The other coaches that witnessed the verbal attack, should have stopped practice and correct the issues. Instead, Reed included watched and heard he insults and did "NOTHING". It was the other players that separated the "coach" and player (s).
However, if there was an issue between the two, Reed should have known and whatever the problem was, should have never continued to this point.
This may have been an on-going difference between the two, and there is no telling what he “may have said” to Latrelle.
So know the facts, before the action and this has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the lack of Instructional Control.
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 14, 2017 10:19:36 GMT -5
This is not a lick of Instruction Control or has anything to do with Reed. I am going to say this and leave it alone. I attend between 75 to 95% of the practices. I am not surprised, remember at the beginning of fall practice, I mention there were a player(s) and assistant coach had a heated exchange. I am not saying that Latrelle was the player or he was correct in his actions, but Greenstone is the “Strength and Conditioning Coach” Not the Head Coach or an Assistant Coach, that call plays. At times his behavior at practice is questionable. There are times that he acts like a bully toward the players. Going back to beginning of Fall Practice, when the other coaches witnessed the verbal insults from a couple of coaches per se' and a couple of players. The other coaches that witnessed the verbal attack, should have stopped practice and correct the issues. Instead, Reed included watched and heard he insults and did "NOTHING". It was the other players that separated the "coach" and player (s). However, if there was an issue between the two, Reed should have known and whatever the problem was, should have never continued to this point. This may have been an on-going difference between the two, and there is no telling what he “may have said” to Latrelle. So know the facts, before the action and this has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the lack of Instructional Control. I think the narrative right now is the lack of discipline on and off the field. I have been Team Coach Reed from the jump but I just don't like the trajectory and energy over this program right now. So are you saying some coaches saw incidents/issues brewing/festering and did nothing?
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 14, 2017 10:39:55 GMT -5
BTW tsu120, you have indeed reported on the discipline issues and practices in general and I for one was a little skeptical but I will pay closer attention going forward...
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Post by tsu120 on Nov 14, 2017 11:42:16 GMT -5
Yes, Reed and Parker the other coaches witnessed the foolishness on the field and there were four or five other Monday Morning Coaches that witnessed the exchanging of words.
I can almost provide a “play-by-Play” of what happened. There were about 10 or 15 minutes remaining at practice. One of the “coaches” said something to a player and the player kept walking, the coach said it again and walked a fast pace and said it again and the player turned around and said something – then the name calling began.
When the verbal insults started and the player went after the “coach” the Monday Morning QB, start hollering and telling the coach and player “that all of this is not necessary” For sure, the players were going to assist the other player.”
The Monday Morning QB’s were on the benches, behind the underground Steam Create, near the entrance. The incident, sticks out in my mind, because a year prior to that, when O’Shay was the QB similar incident happened between two players – again nothing happened. I was the same day Reed, said “I am looking for a / some leaders for the team.
The response, was O’Shay and the others looked Reed)at him and started talking about something.
Where were Reed and Parker - this time
Reed was in the middle of the field at the 35 or 45, looking at his playbook. Parker was at about the 10 or 15. When the verbal insults, started Parker looked up and turned away. Then Reed looked up and said something – and returned looking at his playbook.
The other coaches just looked. IMO, the coach per se’ was wrong, you just don’t start jawing off at the kid’s today, 2017. They are not going to tolerate it. There seem to be a lack of respect on behalf of the White coaches, with the exception Coach’s Ehrenfeld and Davidson.
This reminds me of the situation that happened when Thomas, was the coach. Does anyone remember what happened with Craig Hodge and the RB, he was white, I forgot his name.
I don’t agree with the suspension, of Latrelle, remove him from the team and allow him to finish school.
To be honest, IMO and I could be wrong Greenstone, do not want to be there. It’s just a paycheck. Body Language, can tell you how a person feel on the inside.
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Post by tiger1 on Nov 14, 2017 12:24:37 GMT -5
I'm tracking on everything you are saying and understand these are young adults who may be coming from less than desirable socio/economic situation's.
My biggest concern is if you understand this situation is taking place as a leader you have to address it or run it up the flag pole at the very least.
Now you have senior who has been expelled who could face assualt charges and strength and condition coach who is probably going to be packing up at seasons end.
It's just not a good look...
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