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Post by roarman53 on Dec 9, 2018 18:44:46 GMT -5
From another TSU Page..."We need to be with the other HBCU'S"
Direct and Straight to the Point...Made me feel some type of way!
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Post by tiger1 on Dec 9, 2018 18:50:04 GMT -5
From another TSU Page..."We need to be with the other HBCU'S" Direct and Straight to the Point...Made me feel some type of way! Can you provide a link?
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Post by roarman53 on Dec 9, 2018 18:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by roarman53 on Dec 9, 2018 19:11:36 GMT -5
" We need to be with the "Other HBCU's".... Simple, but Powerful Statement!
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Post by tsu120 on Dec 10, 2018 8:56:23 GMT -5
From another TSU Page..."We need to be with the other HBCU'S" Direct and Straight to the Point...Made me feel some type of way! “we need to be with the …” For what, TSU has always been a cut above other HBCU’s and never fit in the mode of the traditional HBCU’s.
TSU, being like or becoming a part of the other HBCU’s is just like traveling on a “Road to nowhere”
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Post by roarman53 on Dec 10, 2018 10:32:29 GMT -5
From another TSU Page..."We need to be with the other HBCU'S" Direct and Straight to the Point...Made me feel some type of way! “we need to be with the …” For what, TSU has always been a cut above other HBCU’s and never fit in the mode of the traditional HBCU’s.
TSU, being like or becoming a part of the other HBCU’s is just like traveling on a “Road to nowhere”
I use to feel the same way, Now I'm not so sure anymore...It seems as though we are being passed by, by every school on the planet. Look at the SWAC Schools that have (Their Own) New or Re-furbished Stadiums...Look at the OVC Schools...I really don't see anything we're doing at TSU to be thumping our chests about nowadays.
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Post by BlueTigga-Remote on Dec 10, 2018 21:24:03 GMT -5
“we need to be with the …” For what, TSU has always been a cut above other HBCU’s and never fit in the mode of the traditional HBCU’s.
TSU, being like or becoming a part of the other HBCU’s is just like traveling on a “Road to nowhere”
I use to feel the same way, Now I'm not so sure anymore...It seems as though we are being passed by, by every school on the planet. Look at the SWAC Schools that have (Their Own) New or Re-furbished Stadiums...Look at the OVC Schools...I really don't see anything we're doing at TSU to be thumping our chests about nowadays. We better wake up fast. TSU's brand and fanbase is a dying breed. But we remain too proud to embrace change or be proactive about it.
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Post by tsu120 on Dec 11, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
I use to feel the same way, Now I'm not so sure anymore...It seems as though we are being passed by, by every school on the planet. Look at the SWAC Schools that have (Their Own) New or Re-furbished Stadiums...Look at the OVC Schools...I really don't see anything we're doing at TSU to be thumping our chests about nowadays. We better wake up fast. TSU's brand and fanbase is a dying breed. But we remain too proud to embrace change or be proactive about it. TSU, like most HBCU’s put themselves, in a no win situation, by remaining in the 1950 – 60’s mentality. While the SWAC and MEAC remained black and laughed at TSU for joining the OVC. They are now realizing that they are struggling to maintain a fan base as well. TSU was in the best position, but failed to plan for the future, by trying to live in both worlds. To include continuing to hire qualified coaches, that could take the programs to the next level, except for one coach.
The fan base is non-existence; most of the alumni at TSU will not support a losing football or basketball program. I really don’t think the AD or president understand the problem. Their excuse is the alumni do not support the school (it’d the alumni’s fault), perhaps if they show some type of initiative to “do better” just maybe the alumni will do a better job in supporting he programs.
Attendance had dropped at homecoming, JMC and SHC.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Dec 11, 2018 15:09:14 GMT -5
tsu120, the alumni are at fault. We simply cannot ignore that we have not done what we should have and should be doing to support TSU. If our president and AD have made such blanket statements (which I've not ever heard either of them point only to the alumni as the issue), then I have to agree with them. Winning helps, but hell even when we were winning alumni weren't doing there part. We can talk about hiring bad coaches all day long but outside of Reese (football) and Richardson (men's basketball) for the two major revenue sports, what coaches were hired that were bad hires from the get go? Not after they started coaching and we saw that they didn't pan out the way we had hoped, but were clearly bad hires from the start?
I'll keep saying this... until alumni step up and do what they are SUPPOSED TO DO, then we have no say in any matters at TSU. And, if we don't show-up at the games but complain about the visiting school not bringing fans, then why should potential sponsors invest in TSU athletics? They are looking to advertise to locals not travelers. We have to start thinking outside of ourselves and selfishness when it comes to supporting TSU. I honestly don't even think about whether we are winning or losing when I contribute to TSU. I think about the young men and women that I'm supporting in their effort to obtain a college degree. That is the return on my investment. While I want all of our teams to be top notch, it is more important to me that our athletes have the necessary resources to graduate in a reasonable time frame. We as alumni have to stay focused on the BIG PICTURE of what it means to support TSU. We are not a school with just a proud athletic history. We are a school that has sent thousands of young men and women in the world prepared for a multitude of careers. Our legacy as alumni should be to ensure that TSU continues to fulfill that mission. And, if we support that mission wholeheartedly, then we also establish a voice regarding athletics, campus development, new programs and more.
I really don't understand why this doesn't sink in with our alumni at TSU and at other HBCU's. I think reason is because it's far easier to complain than to be about the solution. Too many of us simply talk and never had or still don't have any intentions whatsoever to do anything to help create change.
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Post by roknows50 on Dec 11, 2018 16:21:12 GMT -5
Yes I do agree it is alumni,but slightly different twist. We have had too many alumni that have worked for the school that haven't put together a vision for the school. They don't engage their own alumni. Their friends. Their is no athletics booster club.
We just got all these alumni chapters working by themselves trying to tell the school what to do.
The internal.alumni that work for the school and the ones apart of the alumni association are two peas in a pod.
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Post by tsu120 on Dec 12, 2018 8:51:28 GMT -5
Yes I do agree it is alumni,but slightly different twist. We have had too many alumni that have worked for the school that haven't put together a vision for the school. They don't engage their own alumni. Their friends. Their is no athletics booster club. We just got all these alumni chapters working by themselves trying to tell the school what to do. The internal.alumni that work for the school and the ones apart of the alumni association are two peas in a pod. Exactly, However there are other factors - a complete laundry list:
The president is aware of the same concerns, however nothing has changed. True the alumni have a limited amount of responsibility.
There is lack of commitment from the university, toward the alumni and the Nashville Community, including maintaining contact with citizens from other countries, there is a wealth of funds that's floating around Nashville and TSU has failed to tap into the resources.
Example: If I was the president, I would have on the board a representative from the Hispanic, Kurdish, Latino, Smali, East Indian Communities. These individuals (some) are now citizens of the United States, and has played a major impact on the development of Middle, TN.
In the Forbes ranking, Nashville was sixth in self-employment among Asians and fourth among Hispanics. Many business-related organizations have come online to further boost these entrepreneurs. Conexión Américas, which opened in 2002, provides a wide variety of services for both businesses and individuals in order to help them assimilate into the Nashville community successfully, both personally and professionally. [/quote][/p]
Side Note: MTSU recognized the opportunity - with NISSAN and the Japanese Community.
www.mtsu.edu/programs/japanese/index.php
Now, it's TSU Fault, if they fail to establish a financial connection with the following companies: This is the kicker, there are hundreds of companies that are based in Nashville and the surrounding area, to include HCA, Vanguard Health Systems, Caterpillar Financial, and Charley’s, Bridgestone, AT&T, and most recently Hankook Tires (Clarksville), Recording Industry and NISSAN (Franklin).
If TSU is going to prosper, they need to learn from other universities and companies, for example – look at the Board of Members form MTSU and their qualifications – Yes, they have alumni on their boards – but they are “real” business people.
MTSU www.mtsu.edu/boardoftrustees/committees.php University of Memphis: www.memphis.edu/foundation/publicinfopolicy/boardoftrustees.php
UT Martin trustees.tennessee.edu/members-page/
ETSU www.etsu.edu/trustees/members/board-members.php
TSU is located in the State Capital, Nashville, is the 25th largest city in the United States, now larger than Memphis and TSU still fail to prosper - That you cannot blame on the alumni.
I think it was Joe B. Wyatt, past Chancellor at VANDY, said something like this “Educators are good for the university, but you need a businessman to the run the university – educating people is a business and the university is in the business of educating.
There are a lot of alumni and non-alumni, on different boards that does not support the university financially. The alumni, does not trust those in charge.
The university likes credibility and account ability, with its auditing. TSU, is a no-show, in the Nashville Community
Most may recall the Big Blue Club and other organizations that raised funds for athletic programs, they are none-existence as 50 said, and the question is why. The answer is, the university wanted to control the organizations.
My point: TSU has failed to benefit from the resources available and that's not the alumni fault. There are TSU alumni that are millionaires, it would be interesting to find out why they don't donate hundreds / thousands of dollars.
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Post by jaythomas on Dec 12, 2018 12:42:58 GMT -5
TSU120, GREAT POINT!
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Post by roarman53 on Dec 12, 2018 20:19:54 GMT -5
Yes I do agree it is alumni,but slightly different twist. We have had too many alumni that have worked for the school that haven't put together a vision for the school. They don't engage their own alumni. Their friends. Their is no athletics booster club. We just got all these alumni chapters working by themselves trying to tell the school what to do. The internal.alumni that work for the school and the ones apart of the alumni association are two peas in a pod. Exactly, However there are other factors - a complete laundry list:
The president is aware of the same concerns, however nothing has changed. True the alumni have a limited amount of responsibility.
There is lack of commitment from the university, toward the alumni and the Nashville Community, including maintaining contact with citizens from other countries, there is a wealth of funds that's floating around Nashville and TSU has failed to tap into the resources.
Example: If I was the president, I would have on the board a representative from the Hispanic, Kurdish, Latino, Smali, East Indian Communities. These individuals (some) are now citizens of the United States, and has played a major impact on the development of Middle, TN.
In the Forbes ranking, Nashville was sixth in self-employment among Asians and fourth among Hispanics. Many business-related organizations have come online to further boost these entrepreneurs. Conexión Américas, which opened in 2002, provides a wide variety of services for both businesses and individuals in order to help them assimilate into the Nashville community successfully, both personally and professionally. [/p]
Side Note: MTSU recognized the opportunity - with NISSAN and the Japanese Community.
www.mtsu.edu/programs/japanese/index.php
Now, it's TSU Fault, if they fail to establish a financial connection with the following companies: This is the kicker, there are hundreds of companies that are based in Nashville and the surrounding area, to include HCA, Vanguard Health Systems, Caterpillar Financial, and Charley’s, Bridgestone, AT&T, and most recently Hankook Tires (Clarksville), Recording Industry and NISSAN (Franklin).
If TSU is going to prosper, they need to learn from other universities and companies, for example – look at the Board of Members form MTSU and their qualifications – Yes, they have alumni on their boards – but they are “real” business people.
MTSU www.mtsu.edu/boardoftrustees/committees.php University of Memphis: www.memphis.edu/foundation/publicinfopolicy/boardoftrustees.php
UT Martin trustees.tennessee.edu/members-page/
ETSU www.etsu.edu/trustees/members/board-members.php
TSU is located in the State Capital, Nashville, is the 25th largest city in the United States, now larger than Memphis and TSU still fail to prosper - That you cannot blame on the alumni.
I think it was Joe B. Wyatt, past Chancellor at VANDY, said something like this “Educators are good for the university, but you need a businessman to the run the university – educating people is a business and the university is in the business of educating.
There are a lot of alumni and non-alumni, on different boards that does not support the university financially. The alumni, does not trust those in charge.
The university likes credibility and account ability, with its auditing. TSU, is a no-show, in the Nashville Community
Most may recall the Big Blue Club and other organizations that raised funds for athletic programs, they are none-existence as 50 said, and the question is why. The answer is, the university wanted to control the organizations.
My point: TSU has failed to benefit from the resources available and that's not the alumni fault. There are TSU alumni that are millionaires, it would be interesting to find out why they don't donate hundreds / thousands of dollars.
Good Post 120, Maybe your best ever.
Does anyone know if TSU has EVER asked Oprah to help with its Stadium problem? [/p][/quote]
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Post by tsu120 on Dec 13, 2018 8:48:35 GMT -5
Roar We have been around TSU for years and have expressed our concerns to the various presidents. Dr. Shields is the only one that made an attempt to make some improvements. But, she was hated for “trying” especially when she sent Clint Gray packing and made changes on the administrative staff. Glover was convinced to re-hire Gray in a non-productive position, what is a “Game Operations / TV Broadcast” 100% of the time when he is at the game, he has a bleacher seat, directing the visiting tea mon the floor and telling fans they cannot walk in certain areas. If it sound like I am fed up with TSU, I am – I moved her in 84, “thirty four years ago” and nothing has changed. Students, are still complaining about financial aid, lost registration information, complaints about the alumni, complaints about the Nashville Community, E-mails and telephone calls going unanswered, Nashville can make negative comments about the university, neither the president or public relations office deem it necessary to make the necessary corrections. Considering, all mention continue to exist and it’s well published through the city, which is willing to invest in the university. The answer is obvious, no one, until they can witness changes being made and not just lip service. [bold]Check this out, will TSU take advantage.[/bold] tnstatenewsroom.com/archives/23168tnstatenewsroom.com/archives/23158TSU, because of its location, is sitting on an economic gold, bur for some reason they are trying to dig gold with picks and shovels, instead of modern machinery. This is due to a lack of planning and good ole common sense. It does not take long to develop a strategic plan for the university. Years, ago the university was allocated funds for advertisement – I forgot the name of the firm. Basically, this is what was said “TSU has to Promote themselves and toot their own horn” that’s when TSU began to advertise and highlight certain “graduates” and other accomplishments. That effort lasted for only a year maybe two. [bold]Prime Example – [/bold] Otis Floyd Nursery Research Center – well known for its research with Poinsettias, Nursery, genetics, plant pathology Agriculture, well known for research, especially with goats and assisting farmers through the world In the [bold]Center of Excellence / Information Systems,[/bold] connected with telescopes around the world in conjunction with various universities, NASA, NSF (TSU Automatic Telescopes) I think the leadership, is afraid of criticism. My point is, TSU stop placing the blame on alumni and others “get off your butts and toot your own horn ”Taking a line from The Field of Dreams – James Earl Jones "If you build it, they will come," come from? What does it mean? when Noah was building the ark. Noah asked God where he would get all the animals for the ark and the answer was "Build it and they will come." Genesis 6:8 – 22 TSU, toot your own horn and “they (students) / it (financial support) will come”
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Post by tsusupporter on Dec 15, 2018 23:26:29 GMT -5
5 year plan . . . jump to FBS
Tell Jackson St to come with us.
Play your games in the new MLS soccer stadium instead of at Nissan Stadium.
Join the Sun Belt ( although they say that they are happy with 10 teams, they won't turn down a chance to get in 2 major media markets in the South: Nashville and Jackson )
Short. Simple. To the point.
Program will suck for 3 years, then possibly turn around due to FBS level talent on the team.
Whether the plan works or not, at least that's a plan. More than what they're doing now.
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