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Post by btiger on Dec 16, 2018 17:26:58 GMT -5
We don’t have the facilities to go to the sun belt. We can’t recruit in men’s and women basketball and we can’t compete in recruiting against sun belt schools in football. Our facilities are terrible and must be addressed. To be honest we have swac and lower level meac facilities.
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Post by tsu120 on Dec 17, 2018 11:59:25 GMT -5
We don’t have the facilities to go to the sun belt. We can’t recruit in men’s and women basketball and we can’t compete in recruiting against sun belt schools in football. Our facilities are terrible and must be addressed. To be honest we have swac and lower level meac facilities. bt
Come on, we have NISSAN. Remember, it was the vision of Hefner and others that “NISSAN” would bring in top recruits. Just imagine being a top recruit playing in front of 3,000 fans.
I sure hope NISSAN is not being used as a recruiting tool and then tell the recruit we play the JMC and Homecoming here and the rest of the games on campus.
Gentry is outdated, but would look better with all the championship banners around the wall, a video screen on the walls to replace the outdate / worthless whatever they ae on the walls or a updated scoreboard with a monitor. Need to put Restroom Signs on the second level, so the visitors do not go down to the restroom near the concession stand –
Close the concession stand on the lower level and open the one on the second level.
The mentioned improvements were mention to the AD several years ago and the excuse was the cost and need more support from the alumni.
Like I said before, a few simple improvements.
IMO, show the alumni that the university is willing to make an effort and we will make an effort.
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Dec 19, 2018 15:51:47 GMT -5
A few simple improvements still require an infusion of funds.
Some of us act like Gentry is a relic and should be torn down. Can it be improved? Of course it can. But without major financial resources to do those improvements, it's unlikely they'll ever happen to the degree we'd like to see. Most of you probably have no clue how much it would cost just to repaint Gentry. It would run well into the THOUSANDS. It's not as simple as going to Home Depot and buying a gallon of paint, a couple of brushes and doing a DIY project. EVERYTHING cost MONEY. And, MONEY our athletic department does not have.
Our AD would love to see the parking lot side of Gentry redone from top to bottom to make it more suitable to be the main entrance to Gentry. But that will require a boat load of money to do. Without there being consistent support of the our b'ball programs, she can't even begin to have discussions with private companies to finance improvements to Gentry in exchange for naming rights. I don't see her response as being an excuse. It is a reality. Our athletic program is funded primarily by the University. That means very little additional funding will go into improving the facilities the way we'd like to see unless, like I've said and will continue to say... alumni and supporters get off their sanctimonious butts and do something about it. When was the last time the TSU National Alumni Association launched a campaign to do anything, well off start a capital funds campaign to improve athletic facilities?
With regards to how we compare to other HBCU's, I'd really like for someone to SHOW me how we have fallen behind them in terms of overall facilities. I'm not saying there aren't better stadiums and gyms than ours. But, I get really frustrated with this consistent negative comparison that makes us look like we are on the bottom of the totem poll when it comes to facilities when we're not even close to being on the bottom.
The biggest issue with Gentry is that it's EMPTY. The biggest issue with playing at Nissan is that it is EMPTY. The biggest issue with building a new on-campus stadium is because funding dollars for that are all but $0. Again the bank is ... EMPTY.
Until we start resolving the EMPTY issue, nothing else will get done. Our AD nor our president can resolve that issue alone. They can look for ways to manipulate the budget and get some donations here and there. But, alumni and so-called supporters have to step up and be part of the solution. If the alumni chapters in Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama and Georgia can't drum up 15K - 20K alum to attend all TSU football games and 4K-8K to attend all basketball games (especially those on weekends), then there's something really wrong. And, just ponder those numbers for a moment. If alumni can't do that then what do we expect our AD and our president to do?
We have to stop waiting on the leadership at TSU to take action in order for us to take action. NOTHING gets done that way. Yes, our AD, our president and ALL of our coaches need to get out a drum up support both individually and collectively. But, our alumni associations also have to get up and be proactive. We have to be the initiator for getting alumni involved. That's what an alumni association is for. The day of raising money via a fish fry are gone....
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Post by roknows50 on Dec 19, 2018 20:54:44 GMT -5
I have never seen a university be pushed by a third party organization.
TSU Alumni Association ia a seperate entity.
To money that they do raise goes to chapters and a then a little to nationals.
They don't have any power.
The university is slowing starting to create ways to remedy this problem.
There is a lot of backwards thinking still involved.
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Post by bluetigga on Dec 19, 2018 21:36:10 GMT -5
5 year plan . . . jump to FBS Tell Jackson St to come with us. Play your games in the new MLS soccer stadium instead of at Nissan Stadium. Join the Sun Belt ( although they say that they are happy with 10 teams, they won't turn down a chance to get in 2 major media markets in the South: Nashville and Jackson ) Short. Simple. To the point. Program will suck for 3 years, then possibly turn around due to FBS level talent on the team. Whether the plan works or not, at least that's a plan. More than what they're doing now. Can Jackson State make that jump?
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Post by TSUTigerFanInDC on Dec 20, 2018 15:51:20 GMT -5
I have never seen a university be pushed by a third party organization. TSU Alumni Association ia a seperate entity. .... The push from a third party organization may go through a governing body for a university. For example the University of Idaho alumni and supporters sought and succeeded in getting a former president ousted by applying pressure to the State Board of Education. University of Dallas experienced a similar action. For that matter even UTK alumni and supporters have had school administrators, faculty and coaches removed. If an alumni association and even booster clubs create enough clout with a university they can be effective in policy decisions, hiring decisions and more. We have no clout. So, what little participation we have in the decision making process at TSU is pretty much a courtesy ask.
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Post by roknows50 on Dec 20, 2018 17:08:19 GMT -5
I have never seen a university be pushed by a third party organization. TSU Alumni Association ia a seperate entity. .... The push from a third party organization may go through a governing body for a university. For example the University of Idaho alumni and supporters sought and succeeded in getting a former president ousted by applying pressure to the State Board of Education. University of Dallas experienced a similar action. For that matter even UTK alumni and supporters have had school administrators, faculty and coaches removed. If an alumni association and even booster clubs create enough clout with a university they can be effective in policy decisions, hiring decisions and more. We have no clout. So, what little participation we have in the decision making process at TSU is pretty much a courtesy ask. Univ of Idaho alumni money goes to the University. They don't even have dues. ALumni have to donate to Idaho. They aren't a separate org from the University. They even have a nomination to be on the board. Their board has the best of their alum on their board. Ours is a popularity contest.
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Post by tsu120 on Dec 21, 2018 11:55:00 GMT -5
The push from a third party organization may go through a governing body for a university. For example the University of Idaho alumni and supporters sought and succeeded in getting a former president ousted by applying pressure to the State Board of Education. University of Dallas experienced a similar action. For that matter even UTK alumni and supporters have had school administrators, faculty and coaches removed. If an alumni association and even booster clubs create enough clout with a university they can be effective in policy decisions, hiring decisions and more. We have no clout. So, what little participation we have in the decision making process at TSU is pretty much a courtesy ask. Univ of Idaho alumni money goes to the University. They don't even have dues. ALumni have to donate to Idaho. They aren't a separate org from the University. They even have a nomination to be on the board. Their board has the best of their alum on their board. Ours is a popularity contest . "Ours is a popularity contest."
Yep, that’s why I stop attending the Nashville Chapter meeting’s, years and years ago.
But I still support the university financially.
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Post by tsusupporter on Dec 27, 2018 20:24:12 GMT -5
5 year plan . . . jump to FBS Tell Jackson St to come with us. Play your games in the new MLS soccer stadium instead of at Nissan Stadium. Join the Sun Belt ( although they say that they are happy with 10 teams, they won't turn down a chance to get in 2 major media markets in the South: Nashville and Jackson ) Short. Simple. To the point. Program will suck for 3 years, then possibly turn around due to FBS level talent on the team. Whether the plan works or not, at least that's a plan. More than what they're doing now. Can Jackson State make that jump? Anything can be done with the proper effort and coordination. Jackson State has a desire to grow. They even had aspirations to build a domed stadium a few years back. I believe if approached by a serious and thorough plan to move to the FBS level in 5 years, Jackson State may make the jump. People have to stop throwing the word "CAN'T" around, and try to develop viable solutions of what it would look like if you "COULD". In my field of Operational Excellence, part of our problem solving analysis calls for developing a "future state". That is, if the canvas was blank, and you wanted to do something, what would it look like ( from all aspects )? Preferably, a few "future states" would be conceived, and you'd either take the best idea and roll with it, or you take bits and pieces of each idea and try to develop one future concept that is acceptable to all. tsu120 hit it right on the head when he talked about what is going on in Nashville. Honestly, there's no way that the entire city can be booming, and TSU not be a part of that economic influx of money coming into the city. Heck, if Austin Peay can secure 20 million to tear down half of their football stadium and build something real nice, surely TSU can secure a few million to upgrade the Gentry Center and other buildings around campus.
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Post by tsumadness on Dec 28, 2018 10:31:19 GMT -5
Bottom line guys....
We're struggling financially......Start Giving, if you aren't already. We don't think our school leaders are doing enough....Get involved, get vocal, and demand more or demand they move on.
I'm tired of just talking....I give a percentage of my income to this university every year. I'm trying to become one of those investors on Jefferson Street. I hope TSU is the choice for my kid next year.
Lets be about it, not just talk about it. If you have the expertise...what's the holdup!!??
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Post by roknows50 on Dec 28, 2018 11:04:42 GMT -5
Bottom line guys.... We're struggling financially......Start Giving, if you aren't already. We don't think our school leaders are doing enough....Get involved, get vocal, and demand more or demand they move on. I'm tired of just talking....I give a percentage of my income to this university every year. I'm trying to become one of those investors on Jefferson Street. I hope TSU is the choice for my kid next year. Lets be about it, not just talk about it. If you have the expertise...what's the holdup!!?? Giving randomly isn't going to help. TSU alum have been doing that for years with no strategy. We are just spinning in place.
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Post by tsumadness on Dec 28, 2018 11:52:00 GMT -5
Didn't take long....
This is exactly what I'm talking about! Ro, you're smarter than that. All I hear on this board is what we can't do or won't do. Can we spend more time focusing on the positives and creating more positives where its needed.
That's all I got and all I'm going to give to this conversation. Have it....the conversation is all yours. Business as usual.
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Post by roknows50 on Dec 28, 2018 17:13:48 GMT -5
Didn't take long.... This is exactly what I'm talking about! Ro, you're smarter than that. All I hear on this board is what we can't do or won't do. Can we spend more time focusing on the positives and creating more positives where its needed. That's all I got and all I'm going to give to this conversation. Have it....the conversation is all yours. Business as usual. Correct. I am smarter that. I have observed the true blue old heads tell me how much they love TSU and its wonderful tradition and continuously fail TSU. Yall keep doing what you all are doing and keep wondering why no one will sign up for the nonsense yall spewing. Yall keep doing you. I hope you all get a few free tickets out of it.
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Post by roarman53 on Dec 28, 2018 17:36:48 GMT -5
Bottom line guys.... We're struggling financially......Start Giving, if you aren't already. We don't think our school leaders are doing enough....Get involved, get vocal, and demand more or demand they move on. I'm tired of just talking....I give a percentage of my income to this university every year. I'm trying to become one of those investors on Jefferson Street. I hope TSU is the choice for my kid next year. Lets be about it, not just talk about it. If you have the expertise...what's the holdup!!?? Giving randomly isn't going to help. TSU alum have been doing that for years with no strategy.
We are just spinning in place. What "Strategy" do you have in mind?
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Post by roknows50 on Dec 28, 2018 22:44:07 GMT -5
Giving randomly isn't going to help. TSU alum have been doing that for years with no strategy.
We are just spinning in place. What "Strategy" do you have in mind? The first strategy is to get rid of all the third party groups. The TSUNAA should have an agreement with the institution so that they money goes to TSU first. The university can then spend more money on pr, fundraising, hosting events. Etc. This is what all schools are gravity towards. Volunteers can't cover for the work that needs to be done on the university level. The big blue clubs needs to be restored with a Board with the same governance as the TSU Foundation board. Both of these would be real shared governance vs this back and forth that we currently have. We are waiting on an individual savior to save, donate, coach. Schedule, or way to the top. Ain't nobody coming to save us.
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