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Post by funkiejunkie on Jun 14, 2023 12:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by tsundenver on Jun 14, 2023 14:01:52 GMT -5
So, two of the top five are not in "traditional" conferences. Interesting indeed. The haters continue to lose their obsessive arguments about what direction they think TSU should go.
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Post by tiger1 on Jun 14, 2023 15:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by tiger1 on Jun 14, 2023 15:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by tiger1 on Jun 14, 2023 15:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by tiger1 on Jun 14, 2023 15:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by tsundenver on Jun 14, 2023 15:52:00 GMT -5
Most revenue in... I thought JSU would lead in this category for sure!!
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Post by tsucrat on Jun 14, 2023 18:47:17 GMT -5
That's probably one of the threads that led to Deion's departure. That attendance was translating into the kind of dollars he expected.
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Post by tsundenver on Jun 14, 2023 19:42:02 GMT -5
Prime was going to leave no matter what. He was about himself from the beginning. But nothing wrong with that...
This does shed light on attendance versus revenue. Need to see a breakdown of the revenue but I would guess sponsorship plays a large part in TSUs revenue. Play with a jumbotron in a city like Nashville is a definite plus. Looks and feels better at Hale but advertising is likely where the money is.
TV deals need to be examined as well as classic revenue...
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Post by tsumadness on Jun 14, 2023 22:29:49 GMT -5
Our revenue should increase once we stop paying to play in Nissan when the new stadium is built. Of course, it can also take a hit if we add more non-revenue sports.
I’ll add, we should have monetized volleyball a while ago. Even if it’s only $1 to $5.
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Post by tsusupporter on Jun 15, 2023 0:53:01 GMT -5
Prime was going to leave no matter what. He was about himself from the beginning. But nothing wrong with that... This does shed light on attendance versus revenue. Need to see a breakdown of the revenue but I would guess sponsorship plays a large part in TSUs revenue. Play with a jumbotron in a city like Nashville is a definite plus. Looks and feels better at Hale but advertising is likely where the money is. TV deals need to be examined as well as classic revenue... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/04/14/college-sports-finances-ncaa-revenue-expense-database-methodology/11664404002/
When you look at this site, and understand the definitions of the categories, it'll put a different light in what has been reported. The big thing to look at is Total Revenue and Total Allocated. The Total Allocated category is basically any money you get from tuition, student fees, the state/feds, and any money not generated by the school's athletic functions. That "total allocated" money is a part of the "total revenue".
Knowing that, let's look at Tennessee State again.
Rank School Conf. Total Revenue Total Expenses Total Allocated Percent Allocated Tot Revenue - Total Allocated 186 Tennessee State OVC $15,883,556 $15,883,556 $12,899,140 81.21% $2,984,416
What this indicates is that 81% of TSU's total revenue came from allocated sources. This also means that less than $3 million came from actual athletic functions ( i.e. - ticket sales ). I agree that it would be very interesting to see how TSU'S allocated money is broken down, and where the athletic department gets the majority of their money from. If TSU is only getting around $3 million from ticket sales, contributions, and rights & licensing, that's an issue Dr. Mikki can definitely focus on to increase that amount in those areas.
Now, let's look at Jackson State:
Rank School Conf. Total Revenue Total Expenses Total Allocated Percent Allocated Tot Revenue - Total Allocated 208 Jackson State SWAC $12,821,652 $12,637,183 $5,047,840 39.37% $7,773,812
Jackson State makes $3 million less in revenue, but that's because their total allocated amount is almost $8 million less than TSU's. So why is JSU's allocated revenue so low? Is it because of the state? Is it because of the lack of giving by alumni? Do they have the corporate sponsorships that can generate money? If JSU is relying mainly on their football ticket sales to drive 60% of their Total Revenue, something is horribly wrong at that university. Either they're messing up, or the state is screwing them over big time.
That website also shows that some Power 5 teams have $0 in allocated money. The way the NCAA reports it, is that other sources of allocated money can't exceed the amount generated from student fees and direct institutional support. If it does, the athletic department diverts the excess revenue to the school, and the athletic department reports it as a "loss".
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Post by tsusupporter on Jun 15, 2023 1:20:02 GMT -5
HBCU's, sorted by ( Total Revenue minus Allocated Money )
Rank School Conf. Total Revenue Total Expenses Total Allocated % Allocated Tot Revenue - Total Allocated 208 Jackson State SWAC $12,821,652 $12,637,183 $5,047,840 39.37% $7,773,812 205 Florida A&M SWAC $13,172,315 $12,049,059 $7,880,718 59.83% $5,291,597 192 Alabama State SWAC $14,550,273 $17,892,138 $9,439,916 64.88% $5,110,357 163 Southern SWAC $18,190,798 $18,585,316 $13,172,423 72.41% $5,018,375 226 Arkansas-Pine Bluff SWAC $8,650,669 $8,689,626 $4,397,206 50.83% $4,253,463 202 Texas Southern SWAC $13,362,715 $13,362,715 $9,639,506 72.14% $3,723,209 185 Norfolk State MEAC $15,929,886 $15,928,886 $12,301,575 77.22% $3,628,311 204 South Carolina State MEAC $13,271,355 $7,857,836 $9,648,463 72.70% $3,622,892 179 North Carolina A&T Big South $16,372,030 $15,829,584 $12,770,399 78.00% $3,601,631 195 Prairie View A&M SWAC $14,322,177 $18,821,203 $10,870,710 75.90% $3,451,467 186 Tennessee State OVC $15,883,556 $15,883,556 $12,899,140 81.21% $2,984,416 215 Grambling State SWAC $11,378,552 $12,334,219 $8,410,793 73.92% $2,967,759 229 Alcorn State SWAC $6,159,503 $6,863,951 $3,241,371 52.62% $2,918,132 216 No. Carolina Central MEAC $11,339,477 $11,339,477 $8,680,735 76.55% $2,658,742 218 Morgan State MEAC $11,126,282 $14,924,648 $9,182,589 82.53% $1,943,693 230 Coppin State MEAC $4,091,289 $5,254,060 $2,365,932 57.83% $1,725,357 231 Miss Valley State SWAC $4,040,925 $4,040,925 $2,399,030 59.37% $1,641,895 228 Maryland-East Shore MEAC $7,875,993 $7,875,993 $6,409,243 81.38% $1,466,750 197 Alabama A&M SWAC $14,006,086 $14,189,129 $12,660,512 90.39% $1,345,574 180 Delaware State MEAC $16,211,290 $16,211,290 $14,947,002 92.20% $1,264,288
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Post by jafusthinker on Jun 15, 2023 8:48:33 GMT -5
Prime was going to leave no matter what. He was about himself from the beginning. But nothing wrong with that... This does shed light on attendance versus revenue. Need to see a breakdown of the revenue but I would guess sponsorship plays a large part in TSUs revenue. Play with a jumbotron in a city like Nashville is a definite plus. Looks and feels better at Hale but advertising is likely where the money is. TV deals need to be examined as well as classic revenue... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/04/14/college-sports-finances-ncaa-revenue-expense-database-methodology/11664404002/
When you look at this site, and understand the definitions of the categories, it'll put a different light in what has been reported. The big thing to look at is Total Revenue and Total Allocated. The Total Allocated category is basically any money you get from tuition, student fees, the state/feds, and any money not generated by the school's athletic functions. That "total allocated" money is a part of the "total revenue".
Knowing that, let's look at Tennessee State again.
Rank School Conf. Total Revenue Total Expenses Total Allocated Percent Allocated Tot Revenue - Total Allocated 186 Tennessee State OVC $15,883,556 $15,883,556 $12,899,140 81.21% $2,984,416
What this indicates is that 81% of TSU's total revenue came from allocated sources. This also means that less than $3 million came from actual athletic functions ( i.e. - ticket sales ). I agree that it would be very interesting to see how TSU'S allocated money is broken down, and where the athletic department gets the majority of their money from. If TSU is only getting around $3 million from ticket sales, contributions, and rights & licensing, that's an issue Dr. Mikki can definitely focus on to increase that amount in those areas.
Now, let's look at Jackson State:
Rank School Conf. Total Revenue Total Expenses Total Allocated Percent Allocated Tot Revenue - Total Allocated 208 Jackson State SWAC $12,821,652 $12,637,183 $5,047,840 39.37% $7,773,812
Jackson State makes $3 million less in revenue, but that's because their total allocated amount is almost $8 million less than TSU's. So why is JSU's allocated revenue so low? Is it because of the state? Is it because of the lack of giving by alumni? Do they have the corporate sponsorships that can generate money? If JSU is relying mainly on their football ticket sales to drive 60% of their Total Revenue, something is horribly wrong at that university. Either they're messing up, or the state is screwing them over big time.
That website also shows that some Power 5 teams have $0 in allocated money. The way the NCAA reports it, is that other sources of allocated money can't exceed the amount generated from student fees and direct institutional support. If it does, the athletic department diverts the excess revenue to the school, and the athletic department reports it as a "loss".
This is why it is a challenging to read into the blanket numbers because of the internal allocation and reporting mechanism are different from state to state and institution to institution. What is the conference comparison of North Carolina A&T in association of the Colonial and of Tennessee State in association of the Ohio Valley?
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Post by tsusupporter on Jun 15, 2023 10:22:28 GMT -5
Our revenue should increase once we stop paying to play in Nissan when the new stadium is built. Of course, it can also take a hit if we add more non-revenue sports. I’ll add, we should have monetized volleyball a while ago. Even if it’s only $1 to $5.
It'll increase because of the future non-payment AND because of people buying tickets just to see the new stadium in those first few years.
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Post by tsundenver on Jun 15, 2023 10:46:57 GMT -5
Our revenue should increase once we stop paying to play in Nissan when the new stadium is built. Of course, it can also take a hit if we add more non-revenue sports. I’ll add, we should have monetized volleyball a while ago. Even if it’s only $1 to $5.
It'll increase because of the future non-payment AND because of people buying tickets just to see the new stadium in those first few years.
I think I heard something about tailgating will somehow be inside the stadium. Attendance and revenue could quadruple if true.
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