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Post by roknows50 on Oct 27, 2021 9:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by tsundenver on Oct 27, 2021 11:17:23 GMT -5
Nice interview... PVAM and TSU have no reason to go to the SLC
Like I have said before, FAMU needs to strength their schedule to get an at large bid
SWAC needs to play and beat teams from the SLC and other FCS conferences
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Post by tsucrat on Oct 27, 2021 12:15:24 GMT -5
That was quite informative. So, if TnSU fans supported our school rather than boycotting non-HBCU games, we could actually make money in the playoffs. What a thought.
Strength of schedule counts. Recruiting and respect of voters and playoffs hopes.
Swac and meac can still get in the playoffs with 2nd and 3rd place teams....see above.
TxSU and PV&M not that interested in SLC right now.
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Post by bluetigga on Oct 27, 2021 23:26:46 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is boycotting, they're just not interested when it comes to the OVC, especially if TSU is not winning.
Now if you're talking playoffs, then that means TSU is winning and will likely have more support.
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Post by tsucrat on Oct 28, 2021 9:06:26 GMT -5
Yeah, boycotting is probably a harsh term, but if you listen to the way some express their anti non-hbcu and anti Titans coliseum I'm not sure it's that far away. And you're right winning would wash away a lot of that sentiment.
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Post by bluetigga on Oct 29, 2021 15:21:27 GMT -5
I think we have to understand the reality of our fanbase and how was sustained over time. It's clearer to see now than it was 10-20 years ago. TSU's base was built on winning (like most teams) and HBCU rivalries. We haven't been able to sustain winning since the 80s.
Most of the base comes from the alumni and supporters from 60s, 70s, 80s. None of the 90s, 2000s or 2010s built a habit of going to games when they were in school, so I don't think it's realistic for us to think they're just going to up and start coming to games now. We have to be honest with ourselves. The only exception are the diehard fans, but it's not enough of them to really move the needle.
We keep saying if TSU wins this and that will happen. But from business outlook, not a fan outlook, winning is never guaranteed. The one thing we need to do is build a culture around and within our games. That will survive any stints where we are not winning. Which is a big reason I harped about the SWAC. Will that fix every problem, no. We have to do that, but it was (past tense) the biggest and quickest incentive for fans to come out. Once they come out it's on us to keep them. Winning is one way, but rather on campus or at Nissan, it has to feel like an experience people want to come back to.
Sports is leisure, plan it simple, NOT an obligation. We'll be a lot better off when we accept that. Also, understanding college football is a business. Too many us are so attached to the playoffs we don't see that chasing it is allowing you to reasonably be okay with your base dying off. If it's really about TSU first, we need to understand what's really going to get us in the best place to move up to FBS. The playoffs are not a requirement...ask Liberty, Ga State, Coastal Carolina, etc. Those schools either had money from the academic side or a fan base that would allow them to raise funds. We have to regain our base.
No offense to the OVC, but you can't keep trying to push that down your base's throat. No rivalries were built in the OVC and that's NOT on your fanbase. A rivalry like any other relationship requires two sides. The only school that showed up to TSU...actually brought their band was MTSU. And you see a rivalry was formed. And while the OVC aided that rivalry, it wasn't solely responsible in it's development. The roots of that rivalry were building in the years leading up to TSU joining the OVC.
*just my two cents. We seem entitled to think people should show up to TSU...that's not reality
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 29, 2021 21:12:32 GMT -5
That's false about the 90s, 2010, and now.
When you promote away classics more than you do your home games, this is the result.
While TSU hasn't done a lot of marketing,
There have been billboards in the city for various classics.
I would even argue that many times when we have bought HBCUs to Nashville, those really haven't been well attended either.
There is no reason why we shouldn't have had 40k when we hosted Southern or FAMU.
Even during the 100 anniversary, we still didn't beat the 40k max we had in 98.
Attendance isn't built off of two bands.
TSU fans have romanticized the SWAC.
Not shocked, many of them don't really even follow hbcu sports.
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Post by roarman53 on Oct 30, 2021 10:00:57 GMT -5
That's false about the 90s, 2010, and now. When you promote away classics more than you do your home games, this is the result. While TSU hasn't done a lot of marketing, There have been billboards in the city for various classics. I would even argue that many times when we have bought HBCUs to Nashville, those really haven't been well attended either. There is no reason why we shouldn't have had 40k when we hosted Southern or FAMU. Even during the 100 anniversary, we still didn't beat the 40k max we had in 98. Attendance isn't built off of two bands. TSU fans have romanticized the SWAC. Not shocked, many of them don't really even follow hbcu sports. SMH! |
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 31, 2021 12:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by tsucrat on Oct 31, 2021 14:03:41 GMT -5
Sounds like some of these schools and conferences fbs & fcs might want to start evaluating their post season options.
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Post by bluetigga on Oct 31, 2021 16:45:38 GMT -5
That's false about the 90s, 2010, and now. When you promote away classics more than you do your home games, this is the result. While TSU hasn't done a lot of marketing, There have been billboards in the city for various classics. I would even argue that many times when we have bought HBCUs to Nashville, those really haven't been well attended either. There is no reason why we shouldn't have had 40k when we hosted Southern or FAMU. Even during the 100 anniversary, we still didn't beat the 40k max we had in 98. Attendance isn't built off of two bands. TSU fans have romanticized the SWAC.Not shocked, many of them don't really even follow hbcu sports. I think too many diehards romanticize of being a PWI. Out of touch with your base. You can blame classics all you want, but the Memphis and Atlanta game gave TSU exposure in two cities with both strong alumni ties and large black populations that aided in recruiting students to TSU. If you can honestly say TSU students/alums should be excited to go see a losing team, playing in front of a school that doesn't bring anyone, and they have no rivalry with. On top of you building no culture around the game. Seriously, what does it feel like to go to a TSU home game? What's so unique? Because you aren't talking to diehards, your talking to casual fans...seems entitled to say they SHOULD be at TSU games. Why??? It's time to take the blinders off. Or keep them on if you want to. The proof is right in front of you. We just had 8-10K for homecoming. We all know how many people were in town for homecoming. I've seen so many social media post for TSU's homecoming. The game definitely could've been 40K. Keep telling yourself this is the 80s...it's not. TSU has been arcaic for too long. |
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Post by roknows50 on Oct 31, 2021 19:01:04 GMT -5
You can't get exposure without playing in the city?
I mean that is why it is hard TSU to get Nashville students because we don't play enough home games.
Too many of our fans actually do like PWIs anyway. Georgia, UT, Memphis basketball.
Your only solution is to join the SWAc. How new is that?
We have only been in the OVC since the 80s? How is that even considered archaic.
Since we don't play enough home games, we don't have a home fan culture. We don't do those fun things even when I was in school.
It's real sad. I guess we will keep signing up for random classics and hope for the best.
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Post by bluetigga on Nov 2, 2021 12:40:39 GMT -5
You can't get exposure without playing in the city? I mean that is why it is hard TSU to get Nashville students because we don't play enough home games. Too many of our fans actually do like PWIs anyway. Georgia, UT, Memphis basketball. Your only solution is to join the SWAc. How new is that? We have only been in the OVC since the 80s? How is that even considered archaic. Since we don't play enough home games, we don't have a home fan culture. We don't do those fun things even when I was in school. It's real sad. I guess we will keep signing up for random classics and hope for the best. Let me break each of your points down and correct any assumptions of my point of view. You can't get exposure without playing in the city?==> in the 90s and early 2000s, NO. What exposure were you getting if someone wasn't at the game or watched the local news right after. The game in Memphis was on BET...aired nationally. You think a home game got the same exposure during that time??? Seriously 50...there's no way you think that. I mean that is why it is hard TSU to get Nashville students because we don't play enough home games.==> I agree we could have more home games. I just respectfully don't think that alone fixes the problem. What's the point if we only draw 10k or less. The Nashville base hasn't come to games for a while now, that's nothing new. And i'm not sure they ever attended OVC games like that when TSU wasn't winning. However, your base in Memphis and Atlanta does support. As they age, they're definitely not driving back and forth Nashville just to watch TSU play OVC schools. Point blank, it's boring! Yet, we talk like we're playing in the MVFC. We're not fooling anyone. Even with winning, the out of town base usually tends to pick a few games to attend. Most times it's JMC & Homecoming. Too many of our fans actually do like PWIs anyway. Georgia, UT, Memphis basketball. ==> Agreed, but that's natural as they are the bigger and better athletic programs. You have fans of other FCS PWIs the are fans of bigger schools too. With that understood, let's address TSU... because this is literally a TSU problem, look to other HBCUs. The ones that built culture and tradition (in addition to winning) around their games. FAMU just had over 30K for their homecoming game. JSU had 53K for their homecoming, and even before Deion when JSU was not winning, they still led the FCS in attendance. We keep trying to ditch being an HBCU to make this ideal that we don't need to tap into our heritage to succeed. I think this was a fundamental mistake that was easy to make when we were winning. We hedged our bets on winning alone, unfortunately that's not a guarantee. This time around, we need to play it better. Being an HBCU gives us a huge mulligan, although it won't fix everything. However, we need to embrace it, and win because of it, not in spite of it. We'll have to be creative and open minded but I think TSU can fix this. For this to happen though, at some point this beef some of the old school heads at TSU and a couple of SWAC schools needs to be put to bed. Same with the differences in each fan type. I love our diehards, but we have to embrace all TSU fans. Your only solution is to join the SWAc. How new is that?==> Not true. My TOP solution is the SWAC if we're staying FCS. You can find any post of my post where the one solution above the SWAC is FBS. The ultimate goal is and was always FBS. I no longer care about the FCS playoffs. It's a distraction. If we go, great, if not, the mission is still in front of us. To get to FBS we have to rebuild our base. Honestly, even if we went to the SWAC...if we go without a plan, we still fail. Our base has made it clear what they WANT. No one is spending money to go to games they are not interested in. Our base never bought into the OVC and we can no longer sell the OVC as some destination conference. You read me wanting to go the SWAC as a savior, I want the SWAC as an accelerant to fixing a very bad issue our coach just had to address publicly. Do I want fans at OVC games, YES. Are they coming...NO. Either you're offering up resolutions or you're complaining. I'm done complaining!We have only been in the OVC since the 80s? How is that even considered archaic.==> That's 30 years man. That's longer than Merritt was at TSU...that is a long time! More importantly look what's taken place in those 30 years...we just got passed by Austin Peay. No offense to any AP fans on here. However, they literally DROPPED football. Now look at them. And dare I say they have a culture around they're home games and it's not tied to the number of home games. Hell, even SEMO has more culture around their home games when you take away TSU's band, which a lot of diehards complain about. YES, a lot of these point of views on here are archaic and entitled (I don't mean that as offense). You have to see outside of your box. It's real sad. I guess we will keep signing up for random classics and hope for the best.
==> I don't think any of us are asking for random classics. I'm fine with the Memphis and Atlanta Classic (should it come back). However, if you really look at what I said, nothing points to more classics. It points to more home games, but being more intentional with them. Let this OVC ish go for the love of GOD. You want more home games? You want better attended home games? THE SWAC is my solution to that. Instant help with attendance. And no it won't jump to 30/40K. We have to build it back up, but 20K is a whole lot better than what we've seen recently. Attendance helps in recruiting, which aides in winning, which brings more attendance. Nowadays once you get the butts in the seats, social media is free marketing that talks to a base most of us don't engage. Which aides in any efforts in going to FBS. Just look how Coach Penny leverages social media. Some of yall are mad that Hercy posts and does videos of home games...WHY??? This helps with...EXPOSURE! |
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