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Post by tsucrat on Aug 12, 2023 15:31:11 GMT -5
I'm not against this action. Yes it would get in the way of TSU and a lot of other schools moving up. However, the primary motivation here is to increase revenue. And while a jump to fbs should substantially increase revenue, my understanding is that it would also increase expenses. Now with all the streaming, and major and minor network broadcast options available it shouldn't be hard to make some extra income without a big increase in expenses. Just going to require a lot of schools to be willing to burn up the old models and think further outside the box.
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Post by tsumadness on Aug 12, 2023 19:33:41 GMT -5
All of this just separates the haves and the haves nots. I think it’s by design to keep out G5 and FCS powerhouses. Travis Hunter and other top recruits going to HBCU’s and other FCS programs scared the bell out of them. Of course the P5, now P4, were headed in this direction anyway, but NIL and their greed expedited things.
This separation of power seems extremely questionable to me. It just feels discriminatory in nature. Because the bar just keeps moving by the powers-that-be, leaving little to no opportunity for HBCU’s (specifically) to compete at the highest level.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Aug 13, 2023 15:50:15 GMT -5
All of this just separates the haves and the haves nots. I think it’s by design to keep out G5 and FCS powerhouses. Travis Hunter and other top recruits going to HBCU’s and other FCS programs scared the bell out of them. Of course the P5, now P4, were headed in this direction anyway, but NIL and their greed expedited things. This separation of power seems extremely questionable to me. It just feels discriminatory in nature. Because the bar just keeps moving by the powers-that-be, leaving little to no opportunity for HBCU’s (specifically) to compete at the highest level. This. And it's what makes the man leaving the school down south more disappointing. The NCAA saw what was possible and got him the H-E-double hockey sticks out of HBCUs. While he still may be a threat at Colorado, at least he's helping to maintain the current power structure. He was dangerous at a HBCU and they knew it. Other FCS programs are simply a casualty; but there was no way the powers that be were going to let the HBCU movement continue unabated. If we want to go FBS before that $5 million fee kicks in, we'd better hurry up and add baseball/swimming and get the application turned in.
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Post by tsucrat on Aug 13, 2023 19:14:00 GMT -5
Personally I think you all are giving them a little too much credit. This change in requirements is not as HBCU centered as some of us would like to make it. Unfortunatly to many of us are in a position that the mountain top now looks like the moon. Also, I highly doubt that Deion to Colorado was some elaborate NCAA scheme. He was making it known for a minute that he wanted more.
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Post by tsumadness on Aug 13, 2023 22:45:07 GMT -5
I don’t think their rationale is HBCU driven either. It’s greed. Their greed affects HBCU’s, FCS, and G5 schools. But what they’re creating is a monopoly. And if you (plural) know anything about civics, you know monopolies are not suppose to exist in a free-market economy.
I’ve said for many years that certain HBCU’s should kick the door down of FBS Power 5 conferences and the NCAA, and challenge their stronghold on television revenue. Either demand entry to the “club”/conference or challenge the system itself.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not crying for inclusion, I’m talking about fairness and seclusion from opportunities and contracts that were never afforded to certain universities.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Aug 14, 2023 6:38:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that realignment is "HBCU driven"; but it does seem to clearly re-establish a pecking order. HBCUs are currently at the bottom of the pecking order as intended. How can we change that when now its going to require $5 million in cash (that many HBCUs do not have) moving forward simply to try and join the club?
Money and resources = power, and always has. However, the players (most of whom are black) are "the product". I mention the former coach at the school down south because for all that I dislike about how he pretended to really care about elevating HBCUs, he certainly had the ability to do it, and the powers that be understood this and did not like it. FBS transfers have always transferred to HBCUs, so that's not new; but as Madness said, the powers that be realized how real it could have gotten once some guys chose HBCUs first. Recruiting plus his ability to generate revenue and fundraise mede him dangerous at a HBCU. Obviously he would have eventually left, but I've never seen national media so openly campaign for a currently employed coach to be hired by another school as they did with him.
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Post by jafusthinker on Aug 14, 2023 8:52:36 GMT -5
Would it be more strategic for Tennessee State to seek FBS from operating as a members SWAC (more influence with other like-minded presidents/chancellors in terms of FBS goals) as opposed to the OVC-BSC (FBS goal-centered programs have already left) at the FCS level whether it is the 1) SWAC as a collective, 2) a smaller group of SWAC schools moving to FBS, or 3) as a lone HBCU moving up to join a current FBS conference? Just Curious!
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Post by tsundenver on Aug 14, 2023 9:19:34 GMT -5
Would it be more strategic for Tennessee State to seek FBS from operating as a members SWAC (more influence with other like-minded presidents/chancellors in terms of FBS goals) as opposed to the OVC-BSC (FBS goal-centered programs have already left) at the FCS level whether it is the 1) SWAC as a collective, 2 ) a smaller group of SWAC schools moving to FBS, or 3) as a lone HBCU moving up to join a current FBS conference? Just Curious! In my opinion, this is the most realistic scenario. We know FAMU will move if presented the opportunity. They have no problem leaving BCU or any other HBCU behind. I believe NCA&T has aspirations. JSU obviously comes to mind, as does Southern. Bama ST considered it at one time. Not sure about the rest. Would love for this to happen. Former OVC schools that are now in the ASUN (AP and EKU) have aspirations. I can see a conference with several HBCUs, ASUN and what will be left of Conference USA (3 of which came from the OVC) forming an FBS conference. Ultimately the president makes the decision. I think she is focused on get R1 research status and being associated with schools in that realm. (speculation)
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Post by funkiejunkie on Aug 14, 2023 9:42:51 GMT -5
Would it be more strategic for Tennessee State to seek FBS from operating as a members SWAC (more influence with other like-minded presidents/chancellors in terms of FBS goals) as opposed to the OVC-BSC (FBS goal-centered programs have already left) at the FCS level whether it is the 1) SWAC as a collective, 2 ) a smaller group of SWAC schools moving to FBS, or 3) as a lone HBCU moving up to join a current FBS conference? Just Curious! In my opinion, this is the most realistic scenario. We know FAMU will move if presented the opportunity. They have no problem leaving BCU or any other HBCU behind. I believe NCA&T has aspirations. JSU obviously comes to mind, as does Southern. Bama ST considered it at one time. Not sure about the rest. Would love for this to happen. Former OVC schools that are now in the ASUN (AP and EKU) have aspirations. I can see a conference with several HBCUs, ASUN and what will be left of Conference USA (3 of which came from the OVC) forming an FBS conference. Ultimately the president makes the decision. I think she if focused on get R1 research status and being associated with schools in that realm. (speculation) Agreed.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Aug 14, 2023 9:57:53 GMT -5
Would it be more strategic for Tennessee State to seek FBS from operating as a members SWAC (more influence with other like-minded presidents/chancellors in terms of FBS goals) as opposed to the OVC-BSC (FBS goal-centered programs have already left) at the FCS level whether it is the 1) SWAC as a collective, 2) a smaller group of SWAC schools moving to FBS, or 3) as a lone HBCU moving up to join a current FBS conference? Just Curious! I believe #2 is the most realistic option, as there are a few schools in the SWAC that I am not sure would be well-sustained at the moment. I still also believe that if done properly, a SWAC/MEAC partnership of a strong media rights deal could work wonders for all involved. #3 could work as well; my thing is that right now, our attendance (even with the FBS mandatory attendance numbers being eliminated) needs to improve, and I believe that some of the teams that we've traditionally played would help us get our numbers back up.
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Post by tsundenver on Aug 14, 2023 12:17:19 GMT -5
Would it be more strategic for Tennessee State to seek FBS from operating as a members SWAC (more influence with other like-minded presidents/chancellors in terms of FBS goals) as opposed to the OVC-BSC (FBS goal-centered programs have already left) at the FCS level whether it is the 1) SWAC as a collective, 2 ) a smaller group of SWAC schools moving to FBS, or 3) as a lone HBCU moving up to join a current FBS conference? Just Curious! In my opinion, this is the most realistic scenario. We know FAMU will move if presented the opportunity. They have no problem leaving BCU or any other HBCU behind. I believe NCA&T has aspirations. JSU obviously comes to mind, as does Southern. Bama ST considered it at one time. Not sure about the rest. Would love for this to happen. Former OVC schools that are now in the ASUN (AP and EKU) have aspirations. I can see a conference with several HBCUs, ASUN and what will be left of Conference USA (3 of which came from the OVC) forming an FBS conference. Ultimately the president makes the decision. I think she is focused on get R1 research status and being associated with schools in that realm. (speculation) WELL, THE PRESIDENT JUST ANNOUNCED HER RETIREMENT!!!
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Post by funkiejunkie on Aug 14, 2023 14:30:36 GMT -5
In my opinion, this is the most realistic scenario. We know FAMU will move if presented the opportunity. They have no problem leaving BCU or any other HBCU behind. I believe NCA&T has aspirations. JSU obviously comes to mind, as does Southern. Bama ST considered it at one time. Not sure about the rest. Would love for this to happen. Former OVC schools that are now in the ASUN (AP and EKU) have aspirations. I can see a conference with several HBCUs, ASUN and what will be left of Conference USA (3 of which came from the OVC) forming an FBS conference. Ultimately the president makes the decision. I think she is focused on get R1 research status and being associated with schools in that realm. (speculation) WELL, THE PRESIDENT JUST ANNOUNCED HER RETIREMENT!!!Some of the recent decisions that have been made, I wonder 1. was she contemplating her resignation at the time and 2. if the ink has dried on any paperwork that might have been signed by her. I'd love for some things to wait until a new president is in place.
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Post by tsundenver on Aug 14, 2023 14:43:57 GMT -5
WELL, THE PRESIDENT JUST ANNOUNCED HER RETIREMENT!!! Some of the recent decisions that have been made, I wonder 1. was she contemplating her resignation at the time and 2. if the ink has dried on any paperwork that might have been signed by her. I'd love for some things to wait until a new president is in place. She will continue as president until the end of the Spring Semester... So, the question of joining that other conference has legs again. Or it will once a new president is in place. Interesting times ahead.
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Post by funkiejunkie on Aug 14, 2023 14:47:23 GMT -5
Some of the recent decisions that have been made, I wonder 1. was she contemplating her resignation at the time and 2. if the ink has dried on any paperwork that might have been signed by her. I'd love for some things to wait until a new president is in place. She will continue as president until the end of the Spring Semester... So, the question of joining that other conference has legs again. Or it will once a new president is in place. Interesting times ahead. Actually, I was thinking more about the stadium than the conference but yes, that too.
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Post by tsusupporter on Aug 19, 2023 21:22:53 GMT -5
All of this just separates the haves and the haves nots. I think it’s by design to keep out G5 and FCS powerhouses. Travis Hunter and other top recruits going to HBCU’s and other FCS programs scared the bell out of them. Of course the P5, now P4, were headed in this direction anyway, but NIL and their greed expedited things. This separation of power seems extremely questionable to me. It just feels discriminatory in nature. Because the bar just keeps moving by the powers-that-be, leaving little to no opportunity for HBCU’s (specifically) to compete at the highest level.
I would say this has been the predictive outcome for years now. The more schools these power conference add, the more exclusionary they'll be toward FCS teams. This is one of the reasons I've been so adamant about TSU having a concrete plan to put themselves in position to move up to FBS.
The SEC teams won't commit to more than a 9 game schedule in the near future, and they may keep it at 8 in order for the "big" state schools to support the smaller schools ( and to get easy wins on their resumes ). But with the increased TV money, ESPN, CBS & FOX may start dictating how these teams schedule opponents. If they're paying these big conferences 40+ million per school a year, they may not want them to play FCS schools on their non-conference schedules.
With TSU not tying themselves to a Labor Day JMC, I'm still waiting on Tennessee to drop the bag, and invite the Tigers to Knoxville. The first opportunity to do that will be in 2027. Dr. Mikki and Eddie need to make that happen. But if TSU was a FBS team, I'm positive that game would've been scheduled by now. Still, it's no reason for TSU to be missing out on that type of money, just to play a "traditional" game on Labor Day.
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