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Post by funkiejunkie on Feb 27, 2023 14:49:16 GMT -5
Is it me or does it seem like the issues are minor and can easily be fixed. TSU has to understand public relations when it comes to students. A minor issue can be blown out of proportion if simple communication is not setup. Same crap that occurred way back when I attended. TSU don't give the press any excuse that are looking for to make the university look bad. I am glad the administration may have dodged a bullet. But to me it would have been a self-inflicted wound. Being proactive is also key. Some issues should be anticipated, or at least evaluated beforehand. This eliminates some of the issues. The 5 "P"s: “Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance”
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Post by tsu120 on Feb 27, 2023 14:53:18 GMT -5
Agree with both, IMO, there is not a drive to takeover TSU, just to make things better. There is a bigger picture, than the Board and Glover. Glover, need to admit she need to hold people accountable, as will the Governing Officials will hold her accountable. The past presidents, had similiar issues, but was not afraid to accept their mistakes. We may have to respectfully disagree here. Nonetheless, I am glad that the state decided to allow the BoT to remain intact for one more year. That said, we'd better dot every "i" and cross every "t". Sure, Consider, if the State wanted to "Takeover" TSU, it could have been done years ago, with the stroke of a pen. All the governor has to do is make the call - one thing for sure Glover want the Governor on her side. Dr. Glover and others, has to use "Wisdom" remember the Proverb "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar means that it is much easier to get what you want by being polite rather than by being rude and insolent or you can catch more flies with vinegar than with honey. Wisdom "Who are the Flies" find out what attracts the "Flies" It all depends on how you play the cards - tsundenver, hit the nail on the head "Don't Give The Press" something! we have been saying for years. However, TSU continue to provide the press "information" despite the importance of it. Not only it puts Glover against the firing wall - it puts TSU and The TSU Family in the line of fire. The Gambler. Song By Kenny Rogers: When the COT laid out the Facts - Findings, Numbers Don't Lie - Not Fuzzy Math! , Know when to fold 'em, Know when to walk away, And know when to run. You never count your money, When you're sittin' at the table. There'll be time enough for countin' When the dealing's done.
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Post by tsumadness on Feb 27, 2023 15:54:44 GMT -5
They tried to take it over once before and damn near succeeded.
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Post by roknows50 on Feb 27, 2023 16:16:14 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later.
And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did?
Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students?
They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking?
They put TSU in the crosshairs.
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Post by tsu120 on Feb 27, 2023 16:40:20 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later. And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. Madness, I am needing a better definition and examples of "Takeover" and what year or years is referring to. I am hearing to many people say Takeover, no one can provide a sound logical definition. Now, I do remember when the SBR was providing Scholarship Money, for non-AA to attend TSU, what people fail to mention - the SBR, was providing the same for black to attend APSU, UT System, Memphis State and ETSU. During that time, there was not a "lot" of white students enrolling at TSU. However, AA Student, were flocking to the other schools. b] I could be wrong [/b], I thing that was during the time Dr. Hefner, took some of the Scholarship Funds earmarked for instate student and awarded some of the money to outer state students. And had to go before the Legislators, to explain his actions. Those that supported him, said the Legislators were racist, wanted to takeover TSU and 'get this' they just want to bring down a successful African American Man. Facts: And truth posted by 50 and really TSU put themselves in the crosshairs. Poor Obie McKenzie, during his comments he did a wonderful job with his Autobiography. On another note: Prairie View "HBCU" - Parent Institution Texas A&M "PWI", I am not hearing anything from my relatives or friends that are Alumni of PV. And their are other HBCU that has not lost their identity of being an HBCU!
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Feb 27, 2023 16:57:13 GMT -5
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Post by roknows50 on Feb 27, 2023 16:57:13 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later. And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. I am needing a better definition and examples of "Takeover" and what year or years is Facts: On another note: Prarie View "HBCU" - Parent Institution Texam A&M "PWI", I am not hearing anything from my relatives or friends that are Alumni of PV. There are two board members up for renewal, I wonder if they will renew them.
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Post by tsundenver on Feb 27, 2023 17:15:11 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later. And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. It is not minor what they did, but it all seems so silly. What is so hard about having a procedure to award scholarship money. Just follow the protocol. They put TSU on blast over something that appears to be easily administered. Made a mole hill into a mountain and gave themselves the appearance of incompetence... I don't blame the state for calling them out on such foolishness but not to the degree of the reccomendations.
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Post by CalTiger on Feb 27, 2023 17:31:49 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later.
And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. Everything the Comptroller said is not gospel. Today Dr. Glover presented a slide that showed the scholarship budget went from 17 Mil to 28 Mil. Also, she presented direct evidence that she called all the board members; she said she did. I don't recall any of the State people challenging her on this statement.
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Post by roknows50 on Feb 27, 2023 18:48:42 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later.
And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. Everything the Comptroller said is not gospel. Today Dr. Glover presented a slide that showed the scholarship budget went from 17 Mil to 28 Mil. Also, she presented direct evidence that she called all the board members; she said she did. I don't recall any of the State people challenging her on this statement. So do you agree that you can call people just to change a budget and vote on it 5 months later? Do you think that is normal procedure for a governing board? Also, all they have to do is prove they aren't managing her.
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Post by tsumadness on Feb 27, 2023 20:28:18 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later. And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. Madness, I am needing a better definition and examples of "Takeover" and what year or years is referring to. I am hearing to many people say Takeover, no one can provide a sound logical definition. Now, I do remember when the SBR was providing Scholarship Money, for non-AA to attend TSU, what people fail to mention - the SBR, was providing the same for black to attend APSU, UT System, Memphis State and ETSU. During that time, there was not a "lot" of white students enrolling at TSU. However, AA Student, were flocking to the other schools. b] I could be wrong [/b], As a sophomore, I did a study on the Stipulation of Settlement. This study put me in front of students, professors, administrators, and lawyers who were directly involved in this ruling. Judge Wiseman wouldn’t agree to meet with me, but he did provide me copies of his direct ruling and his personal thoughts/written notes. To be honest, this 20 page study was probably better than the 65 page thesis I presented to TTU for my MA. In the fall of 1991, TSU was 58% black, 25% white, and 17% other. These are facts. The 17% were made up of all the Arabic, Indian, and Africans who hung out in the school of business and engineering buildings. That’s a joke…kinda. In 1991, white students could get a full-ride scholarship to TSU with a high school diploma or GED. That’s correct, a full-ride with a GED. How? Because it was part Judge Wiseman’s ruling that TSU becomes 50/50 white and black by 1993(?). This agreement allowed TSU the millions of dollars it received to upgrade its campus (The closing of J.A. Merritt, new SUB, etc are a direct result of those dollars). With this court mandate…other universities had goals. For instance, UT was 4% black…its goal 8% black. Other examples… TTU 1.9% to 4% UTC 6% to 8% Memphis roughly 16% was deemed black enough. The UT and TTU percentages are exact. Not sure why they stick in my head, but they’re facts. The others I’m not certain, but the numbers are close. Memphis had the highest percentage of black students outside of TSU at that time. All state schools had a goal, TSU had a mandate. All the while discussing on renaming TSU, UT-Nashville. Which would have pretty much taken TSU’s whole identity away. Thanks to a fateful few, this did not come to fruition, but it came pretty damn close. Maybe the word “Takeover” is too strong. Let’s just call them thieves. Because while they are trying to remove your president, which I admit has merit, who’s screaming for their removal for allowing the state to steal millions and putting it in the pockets of UT and probably their own individual pockets. Why aren’t you yelling for their removal. Why aren’t you emailing and calling UT to return the money. Nah, we aren’t going to do that. So we just attack the people that closest to us. I have an analogy for you; attacking Glover for her faults, but not the politicians, is just like a rioter throwing bricks and breaking windows in its own community. You’re too afraid to go uptown and attack the real system that got you in this mess in the first place. I have multiple reasons to dislike Glover and her staff. I also have multiple reasons to appreciate she and her staff. And although I would rather have someone more polished and competent as president, I’m smart enough to see the forest for the trees. I realize, beating up and throwing rocks at Glover, right now, is not going to get the outcome I desire for TSU.
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Post by tiger1 on Feb 27, 2023 22:18:25 GMT -5
Madness, I am needing a better definition and examples of "Takeover" and what year or years is referring to. I am hearing to many people say Takeover, no one can provide a sound logical definition. Now, I do remember when the SBR was providing Scholarship Money, for non-AA to attend TSU, what people fail to mention - the SBR, was providing the same for black to attend APSU, UT System, Memphis State and ETSU. During that time, there was not a "lot" of white students enrolling at TSU. However, AA Student, were flocking to the other schools. b] I could be wrong [/b], As a sophomore, I did a study on the Stipulation of Settlement. This study put me in front of students, professors, administrators, and lawyers who were directly involved in this ruling. Judge Wiseman wouldn’t agree to meet with me, but he did provide me copies of his direct ruling and his personal thoughts/written notes. To be honest, this 20 page study was probably better than the 65 page thesis I presented to TTU for my MA. In the fall of 1991, TSU was 58% black, 25% white, and 17% other. These are facts. The 17% were made up of all the Arabic, Indian, and Africans who hung out in the school of business and engineering buildings. That’s a joke…kinda. In 1991, white students could get a full-ride scholarship to TSU with a high school diploma or GED. That’s correct, a full-ride with a GED. How? Because it was part Judge Wiseman’s ruling that TSU becomes 50/50 white and black by 1993(?). This agreement allowed TSU the millions of dollars it received to upgrade its campus (The closing of J.A. Merritt, new SUB, etc are a direct result of those dollars). With this court mandate…other universities had goals. For instance, UT was 4% black…its goal 8% black. Other examples… TTU 1.9% to 4% UTC 6% to 8% Memphis roughly 16% was deemed black enough. The UT and TTU percentages are exact. Not sure why they stick in my head, but they’re facts. The others I’m not certain, but the numbers are close. Memphis had the highest percentage of black students outside of TSU at that time. All state schools had a goal, TSU had a mandate. All the while discussing on renaming TSU, UT-Nashville. Which would have pretty much taken TSU’s whole identity away. Thanks to a fateful few, this did not come to fruition, but it came pretty damn close. Maybe the word “Takeover” is too strong. Let’s just call them thieves. Because while they are trying to remove your president, which I admit has merit, who’s screaming for their removal for allowing the state to steal millions and putting it in the pockets of UT and probably their own individual pockets. Why aren’t you yelling for their removal. Why aren’t you emailing and calling UT to return the money. Nah, we aren’t going to do that. So we just attack the people that closest to us.
I have an analogy for you; attacking Glover for her faults, but not the politicians, is just like a rioter throwing bricks and breaking windows in its own community. You’re too afraid to go uptown and attack the real system that got you in this mess in the first place. They ain't ready for this conversation! You are talking good sir!I have multiple reasons to dislike Glover and her staff. I also have multiple reasons to appreciate she and her staff. And although I would rather have someone more polished and competent as president, I’m smart enough to see the forest for the trees. I realize, beating up and throwing rocks at Glover, right now, is not going to get the outcome I desire for TSU.[/quote] Facts!
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Post by tiger1 on Feb 27, 2023 22:22:19 GMT -5
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Post by roknows50 on Feb 27, 2023 22:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by tsu120 on Feb 28, 2023 8:36:26 GMT -5
It is poor judgement to quadruple a budget item and vote on it 5 months later.And she just called all the board members. Did she provide evidence that she did? Did they provide evidence on how they were going to house all the new scholarship students? They never directly answered these questions. I don't see that as minor. What were they thinking? They put TSU in the crosshairs. Again, some tend to overlook and that's one of the problems cited by the Board and COT Why call after the fact or why call at all, just schedule a Zoom Meeting and discuss the business at hand. Instead, everything was in place for months before a call was made - still could have had a Zoom Meeting.. Back in the day it was called doing things "Azz Backwards" Most of this started during COVID, the Board the oversee the College Entrance Exams, decide to allow students to enter college with High School GPA, and it would be up each colleges and university, set their own entrance standards. Students started sending in their applications, a majority of the Colleges and Universities accepted more than normal students [Nation Wide]. That's why there was a Housing Problem, Nationwide and those that were living off campus, was returning to on campus living. Remember we discussed this last year prior to the start of the 2023 School year. We expressed our concerned, about housing and a few other issues. Also, prior during one of the TBR meeting one of the board members questioned Dr. Glover, about the lack of growth at TSU. My guess, is Dr. Glover, one on one recruiting, TSU receiving a record number of applications and the decision to allow student to enroll without the ACT or SAT. My guess again "not an excuse", TSU took advantage of the situation, to allow more students, thus increasing enrollment. To satisfy, the enrollment problem. Also, a contributing problem was the lack of or limited employment for high school and college students due to COVID. TSU just offered the students Scholarships. TSU like a majority of the colleges and universities, maybe just was caught up in the moment. www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/has-pandemic-put-end-to-sat-act-180978167/ Four Reasons Why 2020 Was The Year Of The HBCU Worth Reading www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/01/02/four-reasons-why-2020-was-the-year-of-the-hbcu/?sh=1e0da65414f5
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Post by tiger1 on Feb 28, 2023 11:45:51 GMT -5
FOX 17 News asked Governor Lee, "Are you committed to fully paying back the $500 million owed to the university and if so, when will they see that money?
Governor Lee says he worked with the university to use those dollars to improve their facilities, which he says will help with some of the challenges that the comptroller's report found. However, he did not address the other $250 million.
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